An Undeserved reputation

[Bregil the Bowman]

I'm just posting to complain about the undeserved reputation my King has just earned, and to wonder if many others have experienced this.

I'm playing a campaign as the Spanish, MTW/VI 2.01. There appears to be a glitch on VI which means that your king is not automatically treated as the general of an army in which he appears. In this particular battle, against some rebel remnants of the Horde, my king was expected to take command but in fact a lowly commander of Jinettes with one more star took charge.

During the battle I made the mistake of allowing this general to get isolated ahead of the main army and sandwiched between two units of Mongol Heavy Cav. Not surprisingly, he turned tail, sending waves of panic through the army. King Alfonso did not panic, though. Gathering his knights around him, he boldly counter-charged, engaging the Mongol cav in a bitter and bloody melee which ended when I brought up two units of Chiv Sgts on either side. The Spanish rallied, the rebels (Lithuanians I think) turned and fled.

And the outcome: King Alfonso, hero of the hour, picks up "Good Runner" and "Doubtful Courage" vices.

I'm still reeling from the injustice...

[miho]

That's strange. King is always the general even if he has no command and all the vices you can think of. And it's not good to have a king with those vices. That's trully unfair.

[Graphic]

From my experience, the general is whoever is in the lower right box on the pre-battle screen, even if there's a King in the army. Be sure to check who's there and swap them out if neccessary.

[Weebeast]

That's a terrible glitch. That king didn't earn that trait and you deserved a reload lol.

It's never happened to me luckily.

[lugh]

From my experience, the general is whoever is in the lower right box on the pre-battle screen, even if there's a King in the army. Be sure to check who's there and swap them out if neccessary.

I'll have to check this. It should be able to bypass the King being general even in the presence of a superior general.

[matteus the inbred]

man, that's terrible, how frustrating! i hate it when that sort of thing happens. i've had my 1-star heir bypassed in favour of a 2-star peasant general (the indignity of it!), but never my king, no matter how rubbish.
it even says it plain in the manual...your king takes charge cos one of the advantages of being king is that no one's allowed to argue with you.

[Mithrandir]

Weird indeed, i thought the King was always the general...
otherwise the highest starred general.

[Ironside]

From my experience, the general is whoever is in the lower right box on the pre-battle screen, even if there's a King in the army. Be sure to check who's there and swap them out if neccessary.

Has one bug though, and that's the same as the bug suffered by Bregil.

It seems that the default general unit is almost* always getting the v&v depending on what the actual general in the battle does.

Default general= the general in charge after the battle.

IIRC if your general routs, reform and die in combat his successor will get the good runner vice.

* doesn't happen if a very weird and uncommon bug happens, that will give you an inmortal general, as he never joins the battlefield. It's possible that the "not so bold"-line is depending on the actual unit and not on the general.

[Bregil the Bowman]

Alas for Alfonso. To complete the tale, I decided it was time to remove this noble but misunderstood king. Apart from anything else, no-one wanted to marry his princes, so I needed a new king who was ready to marry a nice SPanish noblewoman.

So I pitched him into as many uneven battles as I could. But somehow he survived, and despite his poor reputation his personal valour seemed to go through the roof, meaning that he was capable of defeating armies almost single handed. The more I tried to get him killed (leaving him dismounted with his knights in the midst of enemy hordes), the more of a "Jedi General" he became, he must have killed at least 100 Boyars himself over a few battles.

In spite of "doubtful courage" he ended his reign as a "Magnificent Steward" and "Skilled Attacker," dying of natural causes while waiting to board ship in Lithuania (perhaps of a surfeit of pickled herring?) to pursue his personal campaign against a wicked and unjust Papacy. His heirs have much to live up to!

[Ironside]

Bregil, I've would recommend you to not to attack with the king when your empire have grown a bit.
It's a bug that causes that the distance to the king goes to it's maximum value (aka trapped on Ireland with no port). This doesn't hurt you early in a campaign, but will cause massive rebellions later on.

If you already know about it, well it's better to tell it to many times, than too few times.

[miho]

Bregil, I've would recommend you to not to attack with the king when your empire have grown a bit.
It's a bug that causes that the distance to the king goes to it's maximum value (aka trapped on Ireland with no port). This doesn't hurt you early in a campaign, but will cause massive rebellions later on.

If you already know about it, well it's better to tell it to many times, than too few times.

I've had that happen with my king stuck on Corsica. It was a disaster. A civil war and 5 factions reappeared in the same year.
See here.

[Weebeast]

Ok last time my king had 1 star and a unit of javelins or something had 4. I might've messed up the order or replaced the king pre-battle by mistake. I don't know. Obviously my 4-star general ended up commanding the army. That's one thing.

The other thing is that my king is "stuck" in Aragon (playing as Aragonese) after the province was taken by Spanish. When I clicked the shield on the bottom it directed me to Aragon, the unit bif was there but the piece wasn't. It's really weird.

[Bregil the Bowman]

Bregil, I've would recommend you to not to attack with the king when your empire have grown a bit.
It's a bug that causes that the distance to the king goes to it's maximum value (aka trapped on Ireland with no port). This doesn't hurt you early in a campaign, but will cause massive rebellions later on.

Thanks for the warning Of course I wasn't expecting my king to survive and his heirs had easy access back to Spain. If you have good access by sea routes, the big problem comes if a) you attack a province with no port or b) you succeed in capturing the stronghold and the port is destroyed in the sack.

Alfonso's successor, King Ferdinand, has settled down and married a nice Spanish lady now, so I am less anxious about the succession now.

[Ironside]

Thanks for the warning Of course I wasn't expecting my king to survive and his heirs had easy access back to Spain. If you have good access by sea routes, the big problem comes if a) you attack a province with no port or b) you succeed in capturing the stronghold and the port is destroyed in the sack.

Alfonso's successor, King Ferdinand, has settled down and married a nice Spanish lady now, so I am less anxious about the succession now.

The actual bug is that the loyalty drop happens every time the king attacks. But as it happens between the turns you'll never see it, unless your 200% loyalty provinces suddenly rebels and still got 200% loyalty, despite its rebellion.

"The king trapped on an island without port will cause your empire to rebel" is a feature.

There's a slight possibility that is was present in v 1.1 and fixed in 2.0 though, don't remember exactly when I discovered this. Never seen someone disproving this bug though.

BTW are you well-trained in the art of breeding yet?

[miho]

There's a slight possibility that is was present in v 1.1 and fixed in 2.0 though, don't remember exactly when I discovered this. Never seen someone disproving this bug though.

It hasn't been fixed. I have 2.00 and look what happened.

[ezoons]

I had the same thing happen to me recently. My king was meant to joint a crusade and attack a coastal rebel province (neighbouring my lands, that's why I sent the king) - i.e. the crusade was waltzing along by itself, entered the province and at the same time the king's unit jumped in.
On the reinforcements screen all was normal, the king was starting the battle (bottom right corner of the army grid), there were some reinforcements.
But at the beginning of the actual battle, the army was led by a unit of Teutonic Sergeants (of all people!). My Royal Knight of a king was just another unit.
Strange, I thought, so I reloaded the battle to see if it happened again. It did. Only when the TS unit was removed, the king was "allowed" to lead his land's troops.
The TS rank wasn't even higher (3 stars vs 3 of the king), so I'm completely lost as to what caused this. Never happened before (MTW VI 2.01)