Do you believe Elton Johns marraige will have an impact on the debate about gay marraige. I for one believe it will moreso than othe celebrity homosexual unions. What's your opinion?
Serious Elton John Marraige poll (no gay bashing!!!)and discussion
Do you believe Elton Johns marraige will have an impact on the debate about gay marraige. I for one believe it will moreso than othe celebrity homosexual unions. What's your opinion?
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Re: Serious Elton John Marraige poll (no gay bashing!!!)and discussion
You mean that Elton John is so popular that if he marries that all opposers start to accept their short-sightedness?
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meh
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Hold on for just one second. Elton John is gay????
Meh is right, it probably have no effect on the debate. Some fence-sitters may be more accepting of gay marraige, but they aren't the ones making the noise. The serious opponents and proponents will continue as before, it won't affect the debate at all. I'm sure it will be in the news for a good long time.
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Re: Serious Elton John Marraige poll (no gay bashing!!!)and discussion
Of course it will, they're celebrities, we hang on their ever move and copy their every action
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Depressing.Originally Posted by ian_of_smeg16
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isnt it so? but then again, thats life.
On topic, Gay marriages should have been legal ages ago, its just silly prejudices that have been going on since god knows when that have stopped it being so.
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Dave your falling for the hype, Gay marriage still isnt legal in the UK. He was joned in a civil union . Even the Brits aint that nuts. Only Canada and a few other nations actually have gay marriage.
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Marriage in all but name - same rights, responsibilities and service. Even the news stations over here refer it as marriage, but if it saves your face and your demented belief system that it really isn't marriage, then sure, go for it.
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Re: Serious Elton John Marraige poll (no gay bashing!!!)and discussion
Actually I think as far as Elton John and his partner are concerned, it apparently was a marriage and not just a civil union.
The fact that it is not a legally acknowledged marriage does not mean that it is no marriage at all (AFAIK "marriage" is not a church or state registered brand).
If you refuse to call it marriage, that's your choice.
As for Dave's question - I think the impact will be at most incremental, I do not think that a lot of people who are against gay marriage will change their mind based on this case.
The ones who are sitting on the fence might be influenced either way - the fact that this gay marriage involved some colorful celebrity does not necessarily give gay marriage a touch of "normality"
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I don't think it will make that much difference, possibly a little bit for the better.
More importantly, I am very proud that this Labour govt has extended the rights for homosexuals and other minorities and we have got to the point where gay people can now even marry. Never would have happened under a Tory administration. Well done Labour and the UK.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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Yeah good old Labour. Err new Labour. My goodness, you are such a party boy! Save it for the Student Union elections matey.
Gay "marriage". Don't much care really. The world certainly hasn't ended like some seemed to think, nor has God struck the infidels down with holy fire. Though there is still time, he might be busy. Anyway if Elton John wants to give his lover rights to his property if he dies (or, for that matter, if they split) then fair enough.
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I do support the good thigns Labour does and I liek to point them out, especially here. The reasoning is quite simply because people don't know / want to know the good thigns Labour does or cannot understand why they are different to the Tories. Labour are the only form of govt which makes sense for the country.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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Gay Marriage is wrong.
Elton John is a popular and high-profile enough figure that his "marriage", however it turns out, cannot avoid having some impact on the debate one way or the other.
DA
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Get off your soapbox dude.
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Yeah, now everyone wants to gay marry, even heterosexuals.
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Re: Serious Elton John Marraige poll (no gay bashing!!!)and discussion
Should have some effect. Since they're such a high profile couple whatever happens will provide a clear example for future debates to use, either for or against gay marriage depending on how it goes.
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By the way Gawain, I thought you should know now, so you can think of the face saving excuses before the time - From next month gay couples are legally allowed to adopt children here. Maybe you can pretend they are not children but instead 'kids' for we all know the difference between a kid and child is huge!
We are proud of this legislation over here, it is only a matter of time before your country see's rational progressive sense and adopts (ha!) similar legislation.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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Again what JAG said, including the ha!
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Hopefully the whole country will soon, but my state already did, Ha!
I don't know if they can adopt here (Vermont), but they have been able to get civil unions for a while know.
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Well I would marry Elton John if I got to inherit all of his money...
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Darn right. I'm giving it serious consideration myself. I've had my eye on Navaros for quite some time now...
What do you think, Nav?
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You see, this is why I may one day move to someplace like Latin America, where everyone thinks that Gay Marriage is wrong, and you can say it all day long and no one will question it. Because they simply can't see any reason to think about it otherwise. And I agree with them.
DA
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Why is it so wrong
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