Black and White

**Mithrandir** · 12-27-2005, 10:40

I bought B&W few days back, including Creature Isle (latter one not yet installed though), for just €3,- (4 USD).

I think it could be a fun game,
however:
-My creature hasn't grown a cm. (I'm in the 2nd level)
-How do I expand my influence / believe in me?
No matter how much food/wood I give, how many people I throw around or how many miracles I / my creature casts, I keep gettting notices like "you're losing followers fast","Faith is dwindling", "Another god is about to take over your village".

Could anyone give me some quick pointers?

Thanks

**Fragony** · 12-27-2005, 13:28

That game has more bugs then a entomologist, best is to wonder about what it could have been. Just forget it, every bit of enjoyment is annihilated by the countless bugs and anomalies.

**Just A Girl** · 12-27-2005, 14:10

Thats a poor reply to a question I wish i could answer :(

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 12-27-2005, 14:14

Have you tried taking away all a nuetral village's food and then giving it back a few minutes later?
What about leashing your creature to one of their buildings for a slow but steady increase in belief?
Have you tried just randomly casting healing miracles on your/neutral/enemy villagers?
Your creature should grow very very slowly, but eventually you should see an increase, it takes much too long though and doesn't work out too well. I've never gotten a massive creature...

**Mikeus Caesar** · 12-27-2005, 19:30

Originally Posted by Mithrandir

-My creature hasn't grown a cm. (I'm in the 2nd level)
-How do I expand my influence / believe in me?

1) The creature not growing isn't a bug, it's just that they take forever to grow. It's so slow, that you don't actually notice any increase in height. Just go on google and type in 'Black and white Kong editor'. One of the links should take somewhere to download an editor called KONG, which will let you change all the stats on your creature, including it's height.

2) To expand your influence, you need more people. Make all the men disciple breeders and the women disciple foresters/farmers. To conquer other towns, do amazing things like throw rocks at them, or a small genocide every now and then as you rain firey death on their little towns. Also, if you run short of people/food/wood, you can go to Khazaa's town and steal his stuff. Another hint for food/wood is that when you get the food and wood miracles, continuous fast paced clicking of them over the entrance to the village store can sometimes give you about 40000 wood/food.

Hope that helps. If you ignore the bugs in this game, it's quite fun. There aren't many bugs, it's just that the few bugs there are are showstoppers.

**Mithrandir** · 12-27-2005, 19:38

ah, ok.

What are the main bugs? And should I install Creature Isle inmediately, or is it more fun to finish B&W first?

**The_Emperor** · 12-27-2005, 20:55

If your after growing your creature then the following factors will help you...

Make sure your creature ALWAYS sleeps in the pen (it doubles his growth rate), excercises a lot, eats enough food regularly, etc.

A map came out where it was always dark so you could grow your creature overnight, interesting stuff, but not needed with kong.

**UltraWar** · 12-27-2005, 21:02

a good tip is be nice at the start...

AND CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR ON NON-BELIEVERS

also just steal from your enemies [and allys]
and chuck stuff at them

HOPE THIS IS A HELP!

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 12-28-2005, 02:13

Oh since nobody else has mentioned them...FLAMING ROCKS!

Those really help with the whole conversion schtick and are very effective if you just want to kill something.

**Mikeus Caesar** · 12-28-2005, 13:31

Originally Posted by Uesugi Kenshin

Oh since nobody else has mentioned them...FLAMING ROCKS!

Those really help with the whole conversion schtick and are very effective if you just want to kill something.

Flaming rocks are incredibly destructive. Get the biggest rock you can find, set fire to it, and throw it off a tall mountain into your main town. While the rock is in mid air, click on it really fast, to split it into smaller flaming rocks. They go everywhere and set fire to alot of buildings. It's especially destructive if you've built a huge city.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 12-28-2005, 15:23

Hmmm I never tried to split one in mid-air, cluster bomb!

Oh another thing I don't think anybody has mentioned, but can help, you should switch the creature leash every now and then from the nice and cuddly one to the spiked one and vice versa when converting with him. That helps a lot because the villagers get bored with just one thing or the other.

**AntiochusIII** · 12-29-2005, 02:52

Originally Posted by Mithrandir

-My creature hasn't grown a cm. (I'm in the 2nd level)

Apart from all the tips already given (I don't use Kong for my "true" pet), you can go and play a skirmish game or two and spend most of the time there tending your creature and teaching it stuff instead of finishing the game. It's easier to concentrate on your creature on a smaller map. Indeed, while you're there, why not teach it some miracles?

Creatures do grow, just very, very slowly. You can notice it if you look very closely.

Originally Posted by Mithrandir

-How do I expand my influence / believe in me?

For influence, more people and more faith are the two factors. For people, as has already been said, create some male breeders (I don't use all males for that, just three or four in a small village and more in larger towns) and just keeping building houses.

For faith, be creative. I'm a good patron (always) to my own people (being bad isn't nice for your influence level), and regularly heal them with the healing magic, switching between villages and giving time for the villagers to "recover" interest. Scare tactics also works very well: just throw a rock or two, or even a fireball, near the village, and people will get a little scared in you. Love or fear, Machiavelli questions, why not both?

In fact, one of my favorite tactics is to pick up a fireball, "drop" it on an empty space within/near/close to a large village but quickly pick it up before it does damage or sink into the ground, scaring but not harming people, repeat around for extra faith, then cancel for partial "mana" return if the fireball came from the temple.

For neutral or enemy villages, destruction is the way to go. Or may be an artifact or two. For these kind of villages, I hit them hard, pat them a little (heal, water, wood for repairs, food for empty granaries, etc), then hit them again. Ruthless and effective.

[An artifact is created when people in your faithful villages dance around an object (automatically - often rock, though can be beachball, teddy bear, whatever - you can try and put some rocks near the village centers and wait for the night to see if people gather for dances or not) for sometime until they glow in your colour. The brighter to glow, the more powerful it is, and if your symbol appears on it then it is very powerful. To use, simply drop (with a bit of a shake?) the artifact on the village (not necessarily on to the buildings, just within the village area) and see an increase in faith. Repeat for extra, albeit less powerful, effects.]

Originally Posted by Mithrandir

No matter how much food/wood I give, how many people I throw around or how many miracles I / my creature casts, I keep gettting notices like "you're losing followers fast","Faith is dwindling", "Another god is about to take over your village".

This sounds like you're being attacked and lack breeders to replenish the population Or may be the Wolf (Lithis' creature) on Land 2 is trying to meddle with your villages?

Oh, and make sure to visit your temple often. The worshippers (those dancers that give you power) aren't very good at surviving and need regular healing/food to keep them alive.

On Land 2, it is rather easy for you to survive. Just don't expand (taking over new villages) too fast or you will lose your ally. Keep him alive and take food/wood/those building blocks from his villages for free.