Is Texas a Part of the South?

[Del Arroyo]

I would argue that it most definitely is not. Texas is geographically and culturally distinct, both historically and in the present day. Heck, the accent isn't even close.

Other thoughts?

DA

[Leet Eriksson]

American Civil War

Texas contributed alot to the south generally, and geographically they are in the south of the united states as well.

just my opinion based on what i heard from SFTS when talking about texas in the chat room.

[Kanamori]

There is a Texan mind-set that is culturally quite different from the rest of the "South," which is not a purely geographical thing, for instance, Arizona and New Mexico are "south" but they are very, very different from the old-South. Also, the fact that Texas was a country before it joined the Union has been a large influence culturally between what I have experienced in the Southern states (with a capital 's') and in Texas. There is also a very noticable difference between the "deep south", e.g. Alabama and Mississippi, and other Southern states like North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia. Bottom line, Texan culture is very different from the traditional Southern culture.

[Strike For The South]

The culture is very different but still somewhat the same. If you had to put Texas in a region it would be the south.

[Proletariat]

How on Earth is Texas geographically distinct from the south?

[KukriKhan]

I remember Sister Mary Lucia in 4th grade geography class explaining that "The South" was south of the Mason-Dixon line & east of the Mississippi River. She turned out to be a crackpot on some other subjects, so I'm not surprised that many folks disagree with her (including Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States ).

Seems opinions are divided, but there's general agreement that "The South" is (at least) the original 6 confederate states + Texas.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Southwest. Not the South Proper. I like the Southwest. Good climate.

[drone]

Texas is Southwest. Culturally, it just doesn't fit in with the American South.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

This is easy: the east part of Texas can be considered part of the south. The west and central parts are too different. Best map of what is "the south"? Just look at a map of sweet tea preference distribution. It's as easy as that:

http://www.math.clemson.edu/~rsimms/neat/tea-usa.jpg

[The_Doctor]

sweet tea

What is that?

Tea with two sugars?

[Redleg]

What is that?

Tea with two sugars?

Iced Tea made so sweet that it gives you a sugar rush.

[The_Doctor]

Iced Tea made so sweet that it gives you a sugar rush.

Interesting. And I thought 3 spoons of sugar in tea was bad.

[Red Harvest]

What is that?

Tea with two sugars?

Iced tea with ANY sugar is sweetened tea. Haven't had mine that way since I was about 12. The problem is that you never can get the sugar level *just right.* Much easier to stop using sugar: less fuss, consistent taste. For those that want it sweetened...you can always put sugar in their glass of tea, but it is hard to get it back out.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Iced tea with ANY sugar is sweetened tea.

True. It may be "sweetened tea", but it's absolutely not "sweet tea". I'd have called "Blasphemy!!!" if you had said "Iced tea with ANY sugar is sweet tea."

Haven't had mine that way since I was about 12. The problem is that you never can get the sugar level *just right.* Much easier to stop using sugar: less fuss, consistent taste. For those that want it sweetened...you can always put sugar in their glass of tea, but it is hard to get it back out.

This is what northerners/midwesterners/west coast types don't understand: the tea tastes totally different when you put sugar into it hot vs. cold. When I ask for sweet tea and they say "the sugar's right there" (pointing on the table), I want to hold them down and pour it in their eyes. Really though, you can put a pound of sugar in a gallon of tea and if it's already cold it won't break down the same way and it won't taste nearly as good. Gotta get it in there when it's hot. I put one cup of sugar in a gallon of tea when I make it. Got two gallons in my fridge right now actually, and a large glass of it on my desk here right now too - with lots of ice, and about 1/8th of a cup of lemonade mixed in too. Absolute perfection.

[Major Robert Dump]

Oklahoma is windy because Texas sucks.

[drone]

True. It may be "sweetened tea", but it's absolutely not "sweet tea". I'd have called "Blasphemy!!!" if you had said "Iced tea with ANY sugar is sweet tea."


This is what northerners/midwesterners/west coast types don't understand: the tea tastes totally different when you put sugar into it hot vs. cold. When I ask for sweet tea and they say "the sugar's right there" (pointing on the table), I want to hold them down and pour it in their eyes. Really though, you can put a pound of sugar in a gallon of tea and if it's already cold it won't break down the same way and it won't taste nearly as good. Gotta get it in there when it's hot. I put one cup of sugar in a gallon of tea when I make it. Got two gallons in my fridge right now actually, and a large glass of it on my desk here right now too - with lots of ice, and about 1/8th of a cup of lemonade mixed in too. Absolute perfection.

The tea definitely needs to be brewed with the sugar. You can dissolve more sugar in the hot water to create a supersaturated solution when it gets chilled. I can't get the stuff proper here in northern Virginia (I should though, this is "the South"), but they serve it in restaurants all through the south. Nectar of the gods, just don't try it if you are diabetic.

I'm sure the Brits on the forum are all wondering, "What is this iced tea the Yanks are going on about?" I made the mistake of asking for iced tea in England once, they looked at me like I had a second head growing out of my shoulder. And no, we don't put milk in ice tea...

[Slyspy]

I always thought it was the part of Mexico where all the really clever gangsters live!

[InsaneApache]

Of course if you really wanted to be refreshed by drinking tea, then it absolutley has to be hot. After all it was invented in hot climates. Had this discussion many times with 'Mom' who just can't get her Yank head around us Brits drinking piping hot tea when it's 40 centigrade outside*. Crazy Englishmen she calls us.

Yes Texas is in the South, it fought with the South in the ACW.

*this is in Greece btw

[Ja'chyra]

Is Texas a Part of the South?

Is it in the south? Guess so then.

[Red Harvest]

Yes Texas is in the South, it fought with the South in the ACW.

That is not really the question. "Part of" not "in" was the question. There is a difference.

Second, which side Texas fought on in the ACW has only a small bearing on the matter today. Look at Florida. I wouldn't classify it as part of the South, yet in the ACW it was very much so. And it is as far south as Texas.

This is a cultural/political question, not straightforward geography.

[InsaneApache]

That is not really the question. "Part of" not "in" was the question. There is a difference.

Second, which side Texas fought on in the ACW has only a small bearing on the matter today. Look at Florida. I wouldn't classify it as part of the South, yet in the ACW it was very much so. And it is as far south as Texas.

This is a cultural/political question, not straightforward geography.

Good point. However, my Step-mom comes from Jacksonville and she swears that Florida is as 'South' today as it ever was.

So how far north do they eat chitlins?

[drone]

Good point. However, my Step-mom comes from Jacksonville and she swears that Florida is as 'South' today as it ever was.

So how far north do they eat chitlins?

North Florida (Jacksonville, Tallahassee, etc.) is still pretty Southern (some might say redneck ). But south Florida is just a Northern US retirement community, or as I like to call it, God's Waiting Room.