Secession of Quebec from Canada

[Goofball]

The problem with your nice disertation Goofball, is that the Assemblée Nationale du Québec dont recognize that Clarity Act. Wich is in my opinion bullcrap(that Clarity Act).

How is that a problem for Canada? That's only a problem for seperatists. Canada has set out the legal standard under which a seperation vote would be legitimate. If the seperatists don't recognize that, it's their problem, not ours. They can pose and vote on all the misleading, watered down referendum questions they want, but none of them will legally allow them to leave Canada no matter what the result of the vote.

You say trying to fool, we dont have more stupid people than anyone else.

I made no comment about the stupidity or intelligence of Quebeckers. I simply stated that the seperatist leaders were trying to fool them by presenting a very misleading picture of what would happen if Quebec did indeed vote to seperate. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that the majority of Quebeckers voted "non" means that the majority of them were too intelligent to be fooled by the lies of the seperatists.

It was clear to everyone that if the Referendum pass, they had (the PQ) to negociate with Canada to stay in the Confederation before anything else.

No, that was not clear to everyone. If everyone believed that, then the "oui" side would have won. But if you believed that, then you were apparently among those who were fooled by the seperatist lies.

But i'm pretty sure they would not have negociated of good faith. They wanted a governemtn equal to the Federal governement. Simple as that.

If it was as simple as that, why didn't they put that simple question to the vote instead of asking a question meant to allay fears among more moderate Quebeckers and lull them into voting oui?

And wait a minute. A minute ago you said the first priority after a "Oui" vote would be to try to negotiate a way to stay in Canada (utterly silly, by the way, as you are already in Canada), but now you say the only thing they really wanted was their own government equal in authority to that of Canada. To achieve that, they would have to leave Canada.

You're performing mental gymnastics in order to be dishonest with yourself.

Of course that would not have work with the Chrétien and his thiefs at the helm.

And you talk of the separatist being dishonest, when its your Liberal governement who have cheated and lied. They cheated with our money and are still arrogant. Its their fault if the separatism isnt dying a slow death.

They are not "my" Liberal government. I have voted Conservative in every federal election since I was old enough to vote. So slam the Liberals all you want, it makes no difference to me. I know they are a bunch of liars who have been bad for Canada and Quebec, and I'm rubbing my hands together with glee in hopes that they get the boot on the 23rd.

You are trying to make them pass for the crooks, when they have done more for social justice than any governement on any level in that country.

You'll have to back that statement up, because I don't believe it.

Having said that, the little I know about them indicates to me that they have done a good job with other areas of governing the province of Quebec, and I won't dispute that with you. But they should stick with making Quebec the best province it can be within Canada, rather than trying to rip apart one of the best countries in the world.

[Goofball]

And to inject a little levity into the thread, a little joke:

How come Newfoundland wants Quebec to leave Canada?



















































Because then it would only be a half-hour drive to Toronto.

[Divinus Arma]

Goofball: You are a conservative in Canada? Does that mean the liberals are communists or that the terminology is the opposite of American definitions?

[Goofball]

Goofball: You are a conservative in Canada? Does that mean the liberals are communists or that the terminology is the opposite of American definitions?

No, it just means that our Conservatives focus on the important aspects of conservatism, and pay less attention to the silly ones. A few examples:

1) They believe that citizens are more qualified to decide how to spend their money than the government is.

2) They believe that more business = more money for everybody = good

3) They don't believe that we should make national policy decisions because of what the Bible says we should do.

4) While some in the party are not entirely comfortable with homosexuality or gay rights, they realize that it is a personal issue and will allow all members of parliament to vote their consciences if the issues are ever raised, which would allow the true will of Canadians to be done, rather than the will of the party hierarchy.

5) They believe that our military has been sadly neglected, and would like to do something about it.

6) They believe that property rights should be enshrined in our Constitution.

7) They are free-traders who are against protectionism.

In a nutshell, we Canadian conservatives don't really care if gays want to marry each other, but we really don't want the government taking any more money away from us than is absolutely necessary for the running of the country.

The Republicans (recently anyway) have discarded just about all of the solid economic principles which are important to real conservatives, and have made a point of focusing only on trying to instill as much Old Testament as possible into everyday life in America. Think how much more they could accomplish if they just stayed the hell out of peoples' bedrooms and library records, and focused on running the damn country properly.

Sad really...

[Don Corleone]

Maybe we need to convince some Canadian conservatives to move to America and run for office. Our conservatives have caught that nastiest of diseases 'success'. We have a more bloated budget now (even without the war) then at any time under Clinton. $400 billion so grandpa gets his constitutionally mandated free Viagra? Hello? Which party are you in? I can't tell any more...

[drone]

Maybe we need to convince some Canadian conservatives to move to America and run for office. Our conservatives have caught that nastiest of diseases 'success'. We have a more bloated budget now (even without the war) then at any time under Clinton. $400 billion so grandpa gets his constitutionally mandated free Viagra? Hello? Which party are you in? I can't tell any more...

No doubt. This Sunday's Doonesbury pretty much says it all:


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EDIT->Damn you imageshack, damn you to hell. Where did my pic go?

[Divinus Arma]

Goofball, you surprise me because most of the time I hear you siding with Tribesman and AdrianII. I thought you were a leftist?!?!

I thought I remembered you espousing the wonders of socialist economic policy, such as nationalized health care. Also, being a "conservative" and pro-military, one would conclude that you would naturally tend to support the ongoing global war against terrorism and the campaign in Iraq.