What do you think of Bush NOW?

[Divinus Arma]

Why a new thread? Because I hate the S.O.B.

Yes. Me. A Republican. I was borderline with his spending.

He crossed the line with his support of illegal immigrants.

[Ronin]

hated his guts before.....hate his guts now.....

same old stuff really.


P.S.- Let me just say that you are just now jumping onto the "I hate bush bandwaggon" because it's popular now.....I've been hating Bush for like 4 or 5 years....I'm an old school Bush hating guy :P

[Lemur]

[Divinus Arma]

P.S.- Let me just say that you are just now jumping onto the "I hate bush bandwaggon" because it's popular now.....I've been hating Bush for like 4 or 5 years....I'm an old school Bush hating guy :P

Sure. Cause I'm the type that really "jumps on the bandwagon" with other idiots 'cause its popular.

Nice observation, buddy.

[doc_bean]

Not only does he talk to God, a clear sign of insanity with any person who isn't in office or can walk on water, he seems to have no idea as to what a 'budget' actually is, let alone knowing how to balance it. And he uses US soldiers to fight a war for personal glory (upstaging daddy).

[Kraxis]

I have gone from disliking him to

[drone]

Disaprove. The sad part about this is that I still think Kerry would have been worse. Jeez, the Dem leadership sucks...

[Divinus Arma]

Disaprove. The sad part about this is that I still think Kerry would have been worse. Jeez, the Dem leadership sucks...

Agreed. That guy is nothig but political ambition. I also think that Hillary would be worse too. And so would Harry Reid.

Oh Colin Powell, please run!

[Xiahou]

Disaprove. The sad part about this is that I still think Kerry would have been worse. Jeez, the Dem leadership sucks...

Amen. As bad as Bush is, Kerry would've been that much worse. Pretty much everything I think Bush is doing wrong, Kerry campaigned on doing worse during his campaign.

[Don Corleone]

Not only does he talk to God, a clear sign of insanity with any person who isn't in office or can walk on water, he seems to have no idea as to what a 'budget' actually is, let alone knowing how to balance it. And he uses US soldiers to fight a war for personal glory (upstaging daddy).

So praying is a clear sign of insanity? Wow, I know atheists are trying to stack the deck by claiming you shouldn't be allowed to mention God in public, but this is ridiculous... now a belief system is grounds for insanity... Hmm...

I loathe Bush. Nothing new on the Western Front.

I also feel morbidly fascinated by the foaming racism that seems to make the formerly wavering turn against him.

I resemble that remark. I have no problem with large number of Latin Americans coming into this country. The US is built on immigration, always has been and most likely always will be.

But quite frankly Watchman, I don't think you know the first thing about which you are speaking. State governments are going bankrupt because citizens are being forced to provide social services, health care, education etc. for undocumented aliens that make no financial contribution to society. According to the socialists around here, like Idaho, not paying taxes is akin to treason.

What's more, La Raza and other large Latino groups have made it abundantly clear they are not here to become American. They want the language changed to Spanish (y hablo espanol bastante bien). They want the country to integrate into Mexico. They want to change the culture, the history and the direction of the country.. This isn't what I say, go visit La Raza's website or one of these other groups. No reconquista cultura here, thank you very much.

Or, en los verbos que ellos pueden entender, venga aqui! Venga aqui y trabaje' con nostotros, hage' esta pais ayun mejor. Pero no vamos a hacernos mexicanos. Somos norteamericanos, y norteamericanos vamos a quedarnos.

[Watchman]

*snip*

...and what all that amounts to is still The Evil Comes From The Outside. Not a second of wondering why things are going to Hell in handbasket when in the past immigration generally worked just fine (what now the already-established tended to resent the newly-arrived...), or why the newer arrivals don't feel like belonging in their new environs. Or if the curious issue of presumably reasonably affluent Americans being willing and, one suspects, eager to pay sub-minimum wage to illegals instead of hiring legally to do the same chores might be one of the roots of the problem, or for that matter grounds for some critical self-reflection.

No. It's them damn greaser Mexican illegals. The Evil Comes From The Outside.

Did you know, I understand the spread of that attitude has tended to be characteristic of societies in decline with increasingly insoluble structural problems throughout history...? Other, related, symptoms have tended to include growing tendencies towards xenophobia, isolationism and general, often romantic and nostalgic, introvertism and longing after "better times when all was right"...

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Don't like him, thoroughly disappointed.
I find him less worrisome than that tit Kerry though.

[Goofball]

Why a new thread? Because I hate the S.O.B.

Yes. Me. A Republican. I was borderline with his spending.

He crossed the line with his support of illegal immigrants.

Want to know what's really funny? I have pretty much hated everything about his presidency until I read this article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12034586/

where he said this:

“No one should play on people’s fears or try to pit neighbors against each other,” Bush said. “No one should pretend that immigrants are threats to America’s identity because immigrants have shaped America’s identity.
“No one should claim that immigrants are a burden on our economy because the work and enterprise of immigrants helps sustain our economy,” the president said. “We should not give in to pessimism. If we work together I am confident we can meet our duty to fix our immigration system and deliver a bill that protects our people, upholds our laws and makes our people proud.”

Then I thought to myself, "Hey, Bush is actually making a little bit of sense for a change..."

[Hurin_Rules]

To paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, if Bush has lost Divinus, he's lost the country.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I can't say I ever much approved of him, mainly because he was so clearly the creature of corporate interests. From what I read, his immigration policy is also dictated to him by big business rather than listening to the impact on ordinary people. Bush also seems to utterly disregard the Constitution, which disturbs me.

It's a pity he got that second term - this writing was on the wall then - but I can see why he was the lesser of two evils. If the Democrats could find so much as a woodchuck with a single principle, they would have a stranglehold on the next election, but it doesn't look promising.

Dr Rice seems both intelligent and politically astute - perhaps that's the death knell - is she likely to run, and if so, has she a chance?

[Viking]

Bush is fun. We need more Bushes.

[Tachikaze]

Want to know what's really funny? I have pretty much hated everything about his presidency until I read this article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12034586/

where he said this:



Then I thought to myself, "Hey, Bush is actually making a little bit of sense for a change..."

Bush is an antichrist.

I agree with Goofball. This was one time when I thought Bush took the right side. I know he probably did it for the wrong reasons, but I agree with the result.

[Divinus Arma]

When libs agree with Bush, there is a problem.

Here are my thoughts about Bush right at this moment:

Warning: Suggestive Imagery

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[Samurai Waki]

I've stayed out of the political scene for the most part. Bush is by no means a good president, in fact he just a bad president, who as it so happens got elected at the wrong time. Perhaps if he followed Reagan or his father instead of Clinton things would be a bit different, but alas, we cannot dwell on what ifs. I know Kerry wouldn't have been a great president either, he promised too much, and his arrogance was unbelievable. I like people who walk the razor's edge, people who ignore the bull**** and focus on the things that matter... I'm not concerned about right or left, I just want a President who knows how to get the job done not for his party, or for himself, but for the people he presides over. I think if Colin Powell was nominated he do fine, but as it stands he shows no interest, and John McCain is the second best choice in my views. He supported Bush on the Dubai Port Deal, when nobody else would, not because he has any love for the man, but because he knew it was right for diplomatic and financial reasons.

[Divinus Arma]

Call me old-fashioned.

If I felt that way (and the way communicated in the first post), and I was an active-duty military guy, oathed to support and defend the constitution and obey the prez, and all... and was aware, because of my extensive military training and experience, that the UCMJ has harsh penalties for mutiny or sedition, disparagement of the national command authority, and conduct that brings discredit to the service...

What's your point? I have every right to question the decisions of our leadership. I do not, however, have a right to act in a manner contrary to that oath which I have sworn to defend. I can say pretty much whatever I want so long as it does not interfere with my official capacity. I am still a citizen. Furthermore, what the hell are you talking about, discredit to my service. I suggest you clarify this point.

I guess that tomorrow, instead of sitting behind my taxpayer-paid-for computer at work (that military duty thing that taxpayers are also paying for, on top of the taxpayer-funded broadband internet),

And what point are you making now? What is that you are suggesting?

I'd just feel honor-bound to report to my commanding officer and tell him that I couldn't conscienciously continue showing up for work anymore, since our fearless leader/commander-in-chief disagrees so fundamentally with my own point of view.

That is so totally absurd, you insult me just making the comment. Your whole rant disgusts me.

Maybe instead, I'd just have another Starbucks, and show up at the office a bit after the cannon has fired, and see what more sedition and disaffection I could breed on an internet game forum.

What have they done to my military?

Get off your high horse and don't attack the character of my service. Have you lost your mind?

:old veteran rant ends:

Gee. I guess this qualifies you to be a dick, huh?

[Ser Clegane]

Please try to keep the discussion civil, guys (and avoid getting personal)

Thanks



Ser Clegane

[Strike For The South]

He disgusts me. I use to midly dislike him but he supported the immgration bill. Selling out the soul of the country for a few votes.

[Al Khalifah]

Reagan was!

If you would define "a great leader of a nation" as a man who authorised the selling of arms to Iran (and Iraq at the same time - while they were at war) and whose administration used the funds generated by said arms deal to fund an anti-populist terrorist group in Nicaragua (not to mention also using the CIA to wage covert warfare in the country as well), then yes, he was a pretty decent guy.

This is a man who routinely defied Congress and if you wanted a person to blame for the the the terror crisis that faces America right now, I'd have this guy high on my list. Interventionalism may as well have been this man's middle name - his policies may well have worked at the time, but he put America, both militarily and economically on a foundation of sand.

The continued belief that he is America's greatest president is beyond belief to me.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I actually slightly less disapprove of Bush in comparison to two or three years ago. His foreign policy has matured a bit. A lot, frankly. There's less of a 'with us or against us' mentality, less of that sophomoric 'let's bomb them into a first world democracy' view of the world, less paranoia. The foreign policy during his second term has been much more mature and realistic, more experienced.

[Lemur]

I guess he is sort of sexy when he does his Dr. Evil pose ...

[Sjakihata]

I find it so funny that people begin to speculate that Kerry would have been worse, first of all it is speculation, it cannot be prove and secondly, it matters little whether he would have done a better or worse job, so why bother? Trying to put miscredit/discredit (what ever it is) on someone else instead of facing the problems.
And yes, I too have been anti Bush all along.

[Kralizec]

“No one should play on people’s fears or try to pit neighbors against each other,” Bush said. “No one should pretend that immigrants are threats to America’s identity because immigrants have shaped America’s identity.
“No one should claim that immigrants are a burden on our economy because the work and enterprise of immigrants helps sustain our economy,” the president said. “We should not give in to pessimism. If we work together I am confident we can meet our duty to fix our immigration system and deliver a bill that protects our people, upholds our laws and makes our people proud.”

Wich would have made sense if he talked about immigrants, period. But from what I gather he said that to defend protests from illegal immigrants.

[Goofball]

I find it so funny that people begin to speculate that Kerry would have been worse, first of all it is speculation, it cannot be prove and secondly, it matters little whether he would have done a better or worse job, so why bother?

So that they can try to ease the burden on their own consciences for having voted for him.

[t1master]

i was led to believe that armageddon would occur the instant bush was re-elected... being curious......

....i'm still dissapointed.

[Byzantine Prince]

He is a terrible American president but I am not necessarily disapproving of him.