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    Default Re: My first thoughts about EB

    I really hate how the EB team (and their followers) defend against criticism.

    Problem:
    Quote Originally Posted by cython
    even worse image two Toxotai and two peltasts (the good ones) empting all their ammo one a unit of Taxeis Hoplites (the peltasts were firing from the flank of the enemy) only to kill 10!?
    Proposed Solution:
    Quote Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
    Archers and slings are good against infantry - *if* you are hitting them from the sides or better yet back...
    ... people seem to keep saying hit them from the sides, but he did.

    And that is against Taxeis Hoplites, whose decription I will now quote from Teleklos Archelaou (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=52095)

    Quote Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
    They can be expected to hold a line against most light and medium infantry, though they can be cut to pieces by missile troops, as they have virtually no protection from missiles other than their shields.
    Problem:
    Quote Originally Posted by cython
    a charge of Etairoi onto a unit Taxeis Hoplites from behind, who were fighting my infantry, could only kill only 5 men!
    Proposed Solution:
    Quote Originally Posted by econ21
    A cavalry charge to the rear of an engaged unit is perhaps the easiest and surest key to winning a battle.
    ... again people keep saying charge from the rear, but he did.

    And now I quote from the EB team again (from The Wizard specifically) for the description of Hetairoi, (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=49152)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Wizard
    They are still able to give a decisive blow to the flank and rear of any infantry.
    This is why I believe the entire unit system is flawed. QM has said to me many times to point out a situation where the result doesn't meet what is supposed to happen. Well here is two situations that dont match the description of what your EB members have said.

    But rather than go through the whole system with them, I'm just making my own, so the point of this post is to show that there is no point in anyone pointing out the flaws in this "perfect system", the flaws will just be defended irrationally and in an ad hoc manner that contradicts their previous posts by the zealots and EB team members who claim that any other system would be unrealistic. Besides, even if they change it, it would take quite a long time to get QM to change everything that needs to be changed.
    Last edited by fallen851; 04-12-2006 at 21:11.
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