Quote Originally Posted by fallen851
I really hate how the EB team (and their followers) defend against criticism.

Problem:


Proposed Solution:


... people seem to keep saying hit them from the sides, but he did.

And that is against Taxeis Hoplites, whose decription I will now quote from Teleklos Archelaou (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=52095)



Problem:


Proposed Solution:


... again people keep saying charge from the rear, but he did.

And now I quote from the EB team again (from The Wizard specifically) for the description of Hetairoi, (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=49152)



This is why I believe the entire unit system is flawed. QM has said to me many times to point out a situation where the result doesn't meet what is supposed to happen. Well here is two situations that dont match the description of what your EB members have said.

But rather than go through the whole system with them, I'm just making my own, so the point of this post is to show that there is no point in anyone pointing out the flaws in this "perfect system", the flaws will just be defended irrationally and in an ad hoc manner that contradicts their previous posts by the zealots and EB team members who claim that any other system would be unrealistic. Besides, even if they change it, it would take quite a long time to get QM to change everything that needs to be changed.
about the second part. You don't use your, well at least I don't, for killing lots of non-routing units. No I use them to get them routing. Once the units rout you can kill them i one two three. But some poeple seem to forget that even the best katapracts or the hetairoi, sacred band cavalry aren't medievel knights.

This is also partially about the first part:
A battle isn't won by who will kill the most units in direct confrontation. A battle is won by morale. Archers and cavalry can be crucial for thing like this. (of course it's the same with (scythed)chariots, elephants, gaesatae (except for their good fighting their scaryness is a big part of their toughness)).

Ofcourse it's not only about making the enemie scared but also about making sure your units won't. (keep the general close, chanting (carnute cingetos for example), Champion units (Casse))

About the first part: I use my archers always fom behind with flaming arrows. The eastern archers are quite good, but the western aren't (no composite bows). Therefor I use alot of javelin armed troops. Mala gaeros and peltestai come to my mind.