American BATFE Enforces Federal Face Covering Guidelines

**BigTex** · 04-12-2006, 21:13

Originally posted by Crazed Rabbit
The BATFE is a tax organization, for enforcing taxes and regulations on the selling of firearms (and alcohol and tobacco), not a police organization that enforces real laws. Note the the campus police chief said he would file a complaint with the ATF. These agents saw a oddly dressed person on a college campus. So they drew their guns in a public place, forced the kid to ground at gunpoint, placed a knee on the neck of a compliant subject who was harmless, and kept it there. Why couldn't they just have asked the kid 'Why are you wearing the mask?' instead?

Your complaining that because someone stoped a possible burgler or rapist that they should be reprimanded? A masked man sprinting across the campus with more then likely a sword at night should raise red flags for anyone who see's them. IMO it is everyones personal responsibility to help prevent crime, and from this it appears they attempted just that. They guy wasnt hurt, wasnt detained if i remember correctly, and leaned a very valuable lesson. Stop when the police ask you to stop.

**drone** · 04-12-2006, 21:51

Originally Posted by BigTex

Your complaining that because someone stoped a possible burgler or rapist that they should be reprimanded? A masked man sprinting across the campus with more then likely a sword at night should raise red flags for anyone who see's them. IMO it is everyones personal responsibility to help prevent crime, and from this it appears they attempted just that. They guy wasnt hurt, wasnt detained if i remember correctly, and leaned a very valuable lesson. Stop when the police ask you to stop.

Maybe I missed it, but where in the article does it say this happened at night, or that he had anything that looked like a weapon? That picture looks like daytime to me. Stuff like this makes me believe the good doctor Thompson wasn't just spouting BS. Fear with a capital F runs this country.

I can only imagine what the ATF would have done to one of the pirates if they had seen one. Yaaaaarrrrrrr!!!!! Avast, now I must give up me grog source! Arrrrrr!!!

And as a Georgia Tech grad, I can honestly say that if the terrorists think blowing up UGA will set this country back, we have already won.

**Don Corleone** · 04-12-2006, 22:03

Point of fact, Drone. I was not introducing this theory as one I subscribe to. I was trying to offer into evidence motives other then the pre-supposed "JBT just want to crack skulls" theory already advanced.

Personally, I DON'T believe Hizbollah has entertained any notions of homicide bombing in this country, because with our border security as it is, they WOULD HAVE years ago. I'm merely trying to offer a possible mindset for the officer, who is sworn to uphold the laws of the land, may have been in.

**drone** · 04-12-2006, 22:24

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Point of fact, Drone. I was not introducing this theory as one I subscribe to. I was trying to offer into evidence motives other then the pre-supposed "JBT just want to crack skulls" theory already advanced.

Personally, I DON'T believe Hizbollah has entertained any notions of homicide bombing in this country, because with our border security as it is, they WOULD HAVE years ago. I'm merely trying to offer a possible mindset for the officer, who is sworn to uphold the laws of the land, may have been in.

Understood, just couldn't help taking a dig at the University [sic] of Georgia.

Actions like this do little to help the ATF distance itself from the "JBT" image though. Of course, officers of other Fed agencies may be over-reacting to similiar situations as well, but the ATF will get jumped on because of it's recent history.

**Ironside** · 04-12-2006, 23:38

Let me put this straight.

Assuming the police is correct the man was masked with a red bandanna (thus blowing his ninja style quite badly), peaked around a corner and started to move away quickly in another direction about the same time police sirens was heard.
They might have overreacted (sounds like it), but the things above is certainly enough for a reaction.

As for ATF being involved. It's quite normal IMO that any police reacts on a crime or possible crime if they're close by if it's sencible to get involved. I mean it can be quite absurd otherwise, I mean is traffic cops supposed to be handeling murders? No. Does that mena that they shouldn't be involved if they see something that indicates murder?

**Crazed Rabbit** · 04-13-2006, 16:20

An update from the university paper's website:
http://www.redandblack.com/vnews/dis.../443dd07e60128

Apparently, the ATF members thought he had a gun, and refused to believe that he did not:

One of the guys yelled I had a gun, tackled me and asked where my gun was,” Ransom said.

After telling agents he only had his keys, wallet and cell phone on him, Ransom said the agent pinning him to the ground responded that, being trained officers, they would not mistake any of those items for a gun.

The dialogue between Ransom and the agent went back and forth, with the agent insisting Ransom had a gun, and Ransom insisting he was unarmed.

Apparently they are not that trained.

Crazed Rabbit