Hirschi Ali is a very naughty girl....

[Fragony]

This is going to be fun. Our champion of free speech spoke pretty freely when she had to give a reason to stay among us, or better, she lied. She lied about her war-past, and is probably very much able to overcum her sexual problems. Now what doth this mean asked thou, well that Iron Rita is probably putting her on the plane to africa because everyone should get the same treatment, and lying is lying even if you are a world famous politician. Me grabs some nuts and enjoy the ride.

[Dutch_guy]

Yes, this is going to prove very interesting, especially with the coming vote for leader of the VVD ( a dutch liberal political party, please note that a dutch liberal is not by definition the same as US liberal ).

The weird thing is, is that this issue was raised a couple of years ago, then the case was ''closed'' and now it turns up again...and now why would that be

[Kralizec]

That she lied about her asylum request was 'known' for some time apparently. But I had certainly never heard about it before.

Her nationalilty should certainly be revoked.

[Fragony]

That she lied about her asylum request was 'known' for some time apparently. But I had certainly never heard about it before.

Her nationalilty should certainly be revoked.

Yes, rules are rules, there is no way we could let her stay, it just wouldn't be fair. She should seek asylum in the US, I am sure they will welcome her with open arms. As for now, Rita has no choice. Can't say I feel very bad about letting her go, she isn't payed to make movies.

[Duke Malcolm]

Could a link (English, if possible) be provided, please? This sounds somewhat interesting.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

if this were the U.K. and she were a terror suspect wanted by, say, Algerian authorities, she would not be deported.

Given her current situation (I imagine a warm welcome does not await her in Somalia), would she not now be entitled to asylum?

[Fragony]

if this were the U.K. and she were a terror suspect wanted by, say, Algerian authorities, she would not be deported.

Given her current situation (I imagine a warm welcome does not await her in Somalia), would she not now be entitled to asylum?

With a new procedure, yes. This isn't really about Hirschi Ali mind you, but about Rita Verdonk, our carrotmunching how could you teh horror lefties pwning minister of integration who isn't intimidated by media(and other) attacks. They are trying to discredit her reputation of being hard yet fair, just about every political program on the public network and every newspaper is about her the past few months.

[Lemur]

Here's a link, since nobody else has posted one. It's even in English.

[Duke Malcolm]

Excellent. Thank you, Lemur.

[[DnC]]

if this were the U.K. and she were a terror suspect wanted by, say, Algerian authorities, she would not be deported.

Given her current situation (I imagine a warm welcome does not await her in Somalia), would she not now be entitled to asylum?

Haven't heard it myself, but my father said it was because she lied about being from Somalia and is actually from Kenia. If she said she was from Kenia she might not have been given asylum if I'm correct. That's what's all the fuss is about. I was told she admitted some 4 years ago about this. If this were true and she was not at risk in Kenia, then I'm quite baffled as to why no action had been undertaken back then.

Still rules are rules, if she can safely return and live in Kenia, then put her on a plane and be rid of her. No exceptions!

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Haven't heard it myself, but my father said it was because she lied about being from Somalia and is actually from Kenia. If she said she was from Kenia she might not have been given asylum if I'm correct. That's what's all the fuss is about. I was told she admitted some 4 years ago about this. If this were true and she was not at risk in Kenia, then I'm quite baffled as to why no action had been undertaken back then.

Still rules are rules, if she can safely return and live in Kenia, then put her on a plane and be rid of her. No exceptions!

I read that she lived for a while in Kenya before going to Europe but that she is Somali. Either way, I doubt she's be safe in either place.

[Duke Malcolm]

Kenya is much safer than Somalia...

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Kenya is much safer than Somalia...

Probably not for Ms. Ali...

[Duke Malcolm]

Hardly, it is democratic, diverse. It is a rare star in Africa. Uncomparable with the government-less, rogue militia-ridden, pirate-infested Somalia.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Hardly, it is democratic, diverse. It is a rare star in Africa. Uncomparable with the government-less, rogue militia-ridden, pirate-infested Somalia.

Malcolm, I'd be willing to make a bet that if you send her to Kenya then she will be killed.
It's not general lawlessness that's a threat to her so much as that she is a target for a certain group of people.

It doesn't matter if it's democratic and diverse, so's the Netherlands and she needs 24/7 personal security there. I imagine she wouldn't get such security provided in Kenya.

[Duke Malcolm]

Then that would probably not warrant asylum in the first place. Simply having someone come after one is not a great anough threat for asylum, only if the government is coming after one for unethical reasons, or somesuch thing. Her issues there will most likely be personal, not political.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Then that would probably not warrant asylum in the first place. Simply having someone come after one is not a great anough threat for asylum, only if the government is coming after one for unethical reasons, or somesuch thing. Her issues there will most likely be personal, not political.

people get asylum for all sorts of threats. I am not well enough aquainted with Dutch asylum laws to comment.

I'd be surprised if she didn't qualify though. As Somalia has no functioning government at the moment, I imagine that would mean no Somalis qualify for asylum anywhere if our governments were using your definition. I really don't see how only government threats can be good enough for asylum. What about that Afghan Christian the other week? He got asylum in the west even though his government said they wouldn't kill him. Of course lots of other Afghans said they would, but that's just personal and no reason for protecting someone.

I take it you now accept that Ms. Ali would not be safe in Kenya, despite it's diversity and democracy.

[Tribesman]

This is going to be fun. Our champion of free speech spoke pretty freely when she had to give a reason to stay among us, or better, she lied.
Ummmm...thats wierd , didn't you start a topic about how it was so terrible that the "champion of free speech" had to leave her apartment ?
Yeah this is gonna be fun Frag , hows your memory ?

[Ser Clegane]

didn't you start a topic about how it was so terrible that the "champion of free speech" had to leave her apartment ?
Yeah this is gonna be fun Frag , hows your memory ?

Just for the record: Actually Atilius started that thread (and Fragony agreed with the people who wanted her out - so there is consistency)

[Tribesman]

so there is consistency
Yes Sercleg , and you know there is consistancy when it concerns race or creed .

[Kralizec]

Here's a link, since nobody else has posted one. It's even in English.

You've just reinforced my old aversion to bloggers. What a load of BS.

[Lemur]

If you don't like the link (and nobody's saying you have to) then post a couple of your own. I was just responding to the fact that English-speakers on the Org had no article or text of any sort on which to base their discussion.

Sheesh. Touchy.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Apparently she is resigning and relocating to the U.S.A.

[Dutch_guy]

Apparently she is resigning and relocating to the U.S.A.

Yes, Washington to be precise.

Apparently she's going to work in a think-tank, in DC.

[drone]

Yes, Washington to be precise.

Apparently she's going to work in a think-tank, in DC.

Crap, one more car on the roads in the morning...

[A.Saturnus]

Then that would probably not warrant asylum in the first place. Simply having someone come after one is not a great anough threat for asylum, only if the government is coming after one for unethical reasons, or somesuch thing. Her issues there will most likely be personal, not political.

Her issues are just as personal as that of Salman Rushdie.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Yes, Washington to be precise.

Apparently she's going to work in a think-tank, in DC.

Again America manages to attract foreign talent, where Europe chases it away.

Really, I've complained about it before. America attracts hundreds of thousands of Chinese mathematicians, Indian computer wizards, Arab intellectuals. Their experience with immigration has made them unafraid to just set a quotum and fill it (for the most part) with talented, skilled immigrants. America knows how to cherry-picks immigrants.

The two main currents in European immigration policy are: 'keep them the hell away' and 'that's racist! You nazi!'. It is impossible for Europe to just settle for a mature immigration policy. With the end result of allowing entry only to those who are the most pitiful, or those who perpetuate the vast unskilled and semi-illiterate underclass by marrying into them.

[Reenk Roink]

Well Europe 'cherry-picked it's own immigrants too, at least in the beginning. The continent did need laborers...

[Strike For The South]

Louie me boy America has both becuase we take in so many. You give the goverment to much credit

[Louis VI the Fat]

Well Europe 'cherry-picked it's own immigrants too, at least in the beginning. The continent did need laborers...

Oh so true. Well we got what we asked for indeed, unskilled workers. Followed by their entire villages coming over.
Now we need skilled workers and professionals with advanced degrees, but keep the gates closed out of fear.

You give the goverment to much credit

Would I ever pass up on an opportunity to praise teh US government?