Have you ever lied to prove your points?

[Soulforged]

Let's see if this works. So far I don't remember any time in wich I lied to proove my point, or lied just for the sake of lying and didn't confess it later. But let's hear about you...come on, confess.

[Devastatin Dave]

I never have and I promise I'll never do it again!!!

[Tachikaze]

If the conservatives are right, I haven't proven any points, so, the question is moot.

[Vladimir]

No. But then again, I could be lying.

[Lemur]

What I'm saying right now is a lie.

[Duke Malcolm]

It is a lie. You're not saying it, you're typing it.

[Divinus Arma]

[Vladimir]

LOL! I get it.

[Sjakihata]

What I'm saying right now is a lie.

An old one, but it has been proven not to be a true paradox because of modern semantics and philosophy of language. I cant be bothered to show how it is not a paradox though.

[ScionTheWorm]

I seldom lie, but I'm rather fond of slightly altering the truth sometimes. Luckily I've managed to keep away from being caught in a net of such alterings.

[Lord Godfrey]

If you need to lie to prove your point, aren't you proving the other guy's point?

[Soulforged]

If you need to lie to prove your point, aren't you proving the other guy's point?

Not exactly. Lack of proof doesn't refute your own statement nor confirms the statement on the other side, the other side should produce its own proof to demonstrate something. However that's not my question.

I could understand why no one wants to confess their lies in the same backroom, that way jeopardizing his/her own future on his/her own arguements... but if anyone has a burning feeling inside and wants to express something badly this is the time.

I see that two people have confessed...mmmm...I'll add them to my special list...

EDIT: Divinus... I don't get it. Please do explain.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Liar liar pants on fire.

Not that I can remember, though I may ignore a few if I really need to prove a point for one reason or another, and hope the other person doesn't bring them up. If they do then I'll make sure to adjust my stance accordingly.

[drone]

Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

[Divinus Arma]

EDIT: Divinus... I don't get it. Please do explain.

Liar liar pants on fire.

Old kiddie rhyme.

[Csargo]

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See what happens when you lie.

You burst into flames.

I dont think I've ever lied to prove my point

[Strike For The South]

Silly gringo you spelled prove wrong

[Soulforged]

Not that I can remember, though I may ignore a few if I really need to prove a point for one reason or another, and hope the other person doesn't bring them up. If they do then I'll make sure to adjust my stance accordingly.

This is what I'm talking about .
*writes Uesugi Kenshin on the list*

Old kiddie rhyme.

Thanks. It seemed like another thing (like a "fire fart").

Silly gringo you spelled prove wrong

Oh How can I change the title?. I always have problems with this word.
If I'm corrected by SFTS one more time it will be my doom.

[Strike For The South]

Mi gramatica es mal? Pensameinto lo de lograr mejor. Leeo carnicero este.

Wow no of that might make sense lo seinto

[Rodion Romanovich]

I've never lied to prove my points, but only used the truth as argument for my points. That pretty much proves all of my points

Actually, in politics I alter my opinion if my arguments don't hold, rather than altering the arguments. I see no reason to defend a point that is underbuilt by lies. Usually we hold our opinions because we either have solid argumentation of believe we can bring out solid argumentation if we only think for a long enough time. But if we can't bring out that argumentation even when we give it enough time, then we may start doubting the validity of our points. Sometimes you have this gut feeling you're right even in such cases, but usually that means you'll find the argument you sought for if you just keep looking for long enough, or maybe it means your argument is tabooed or similar so you don't dare to say it, etc. But if you can't honestly to yourself say that your argumentation is based on truth only after being given enough time to think, changing opinion is the only sensible thing.

However in social level problems it's a bit more difficult, and less critical, to hold the right opinion. So in those cases, I'm ALWAYS right

[Vladimir]

An old one, but it has been proven not to be a true paradox because of modern semantics and philosophy of language. I cant be bothered to show how it is not a paradox though.

Yes, and you'd probably just lie anyway.

[Soulforged]

Mi gramatica es mal? Pensameinto lo de lograr mejor. Leeo carnicero este.

Wow no of that might make sense lo seinto

LOL STFS I couldn't understand what was that? Specially the part about a "carnicero" .

[Strike For The South]

I forget what I was trying to say the first part makes sense right? Unless mexican and argentianian dialects are different.

[Soulforged]

I forget what I was trying to say the first part makes sense right? Unless mexican and argentianian dialects are different.

Yes it makes sense but it's all messed up. The problems that I usually see on this board with spanish is verbal times. Your sentence should be like this: Mi gramatica es mala? Trataré de lograrlo mejor(I suppose you wanted to say that you'll try to do better). Leeo carnicero este (this seriously makes no sense , the first word appears to be "lee" (infinitive "to read") or "leo" (simple present of "read"), the second word means "butcher" and the third word is an indicative of an object that's proxime to you ("this"), so I don't really know what you wanted to say with this ).

Wow no of that might make sense lo siento (in spanish: por ahí (or "tal vez") nada de eso tiene sentido lo siento).

[BHCWarman88]

Silly gringo you spelled prove wrong

Dear God, I Actually Belived that one!!,lol..

[Louis VI the Fat]

Lied? No, why? I don't engage in political conversations to 'convert' anybody. The pleasure is in reading different opinions and expressing your own. In being forced to form coherent opinions out of vague ideas and concepts you have, and getting feedback on them.

But if a debate get's really heated I will not shy away from rhetorical exagerations or omissions (of the 'oops, that was a bit sloppy of me' kind).

And if they don't get heated enough, I might post opinions that are a bit more single-sided than the complexity of an issue calls for.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Hey!
Soulforged ignoring something during a debate is merely good tactics. If you're in a Model UN or something like that it is essential at times, and so long as you don't cause any harm by it (aka doing it in a real-life situation where something bad will actually come of it) it is completely harmless.

[Csargo]

I bet every single one of you guys lied in this thread except for me of course

;)

[Keba]

I always lie.

[Soulforged]

Hey!
Soulforged ignoring something during a debate is merely good tactics. If you're in a Model UN or something like that it is essential at times, and so long as you don't cause any harm by it (aka doing it in a real-life situation where something bad will actually come of it) it is completely harmless.

Yeah... Sure . Let me amplify what I wanted to say with lying. All this qualifies:
- Posting about a topic of what you don't nothing about (like me posting about the regime of Tailandia).
- Posting a classical "red herring".
- Posting things that you're not sure and you cannot find anything to back it up, and then when you find yourself trapped in the other patron's arguements you quickly change your stance (this happened to me a lot).
- Posting white when you know it's black.

Ok, so I didn't know how to put this on thread's title so I just wrote "lied".