Small people on the police force...

[lars573]

Yes.

[yesdachi]

Yes.

Statistically I’ll bet a 5’2” slip of a girl that is the best fighter in class is the exception to the rule. I didn’t say anything about training, just that she was the exception to the rule.

[lars573]

Yup, that training worked well for that little gal didn't it. She would have had a better chance of subdueing the suspect with giving him a lewinsky, I'm sure she could do that better than her lame attempt of playing cop.

The kind of training I'm talking about is as much mental as it is physical. An attitude and having control of the situation. Which can be taugh, but is much better if it's already there to be fostered. I guess being raised by a bossy and domineering mother colours my view of what women can do even though there smaller. I don't treat my sister that much differently than my brother (I just punch her less). Being a girl is not an excuse not being able (or not allowed) to do something far as I'm concerned.

[scooter_the_shooter]

So you think women should be allowed to go on the front lines during a war?

[rory_20_uk]

I personally think that women should be allowed on the front line as long as they are as able as men. Basically no allowances.

And sure, if they get taken prisoner there is a chance they'll be gang raped until the end of the war.

[lars573]

So you think women should be allowed to go on the front lines during a war?

Canada already does that. And I whole heartedly agree. The location of your reproductive organs isn't a mearure of what you can do.

[orangat]

Canada already does that. And I whole heartedly agree. The location of your reproductive organs isn't a mearure of what you can do.

IIRC Canada does not segregate genders or have separate gender standards for physical tasks during boot camp/training. The result is very few women can actually pass which is to be expected.

In contrast the US military have gender normed standards which have caused controversy. For example the marines found that 45% of female marines could not throw grenades safely beyond the burst radius and so instituted separate testing requirements.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/...98donnelly.htm

[mercian billman]

With all this talk about modern warfare not having frontlines, I think it's pointless to argue whether or not women should be allowed on the frontlines, "since their already there." If a woman is willing to enlist in the military then she should have to deploy, just like everyone else.

As far as a woman serving in a infantry battalion, I would say no. Now a lot of people would say that a woman can fire a rifle as well as any man, which is true, but there's so much more to being an infantryman than just being able to fire a weapon. I believe the main reason woman shouldn't be in infantry battalions is because they can't carry the same amount of weight as men on hikes/patrol. An infantryman is expected to carry a combat load of roughly 90lbs. in addition to this your also expected to be able to carry 50lbs of gear and equipment. That alone is 140lbs, this doesn't include light machine guns, grenade launchers, rocket launchers and radios that members of a rifle squad may be required to carry. This also doesn't include the weight of crew served weapons that men in a weapons plt/company are expected to carry, nor does it include the weight of ammunition (which can get very heavy) that needs to be carried in order to use these weapons. As you can see the load of a combat infantry can easily surpass 150lbs. This also doesn't take into account that hikes are done at a fast pace, usually a fast walk or slow jog if your having trouble keeping up and their normally done up and down hills.

I'm sure there's women that are capable of this, but the fact is that they are an extreme minority, so few that it would not be worth the cost to get them there.

[lars573]

IIRC Canada does not segregate genders or have separate gender standards for physical tasks during boot camp/training. The result is very few women can actually pass which is to be expected.

You recall wrongly then. Having almost joined the reserves a fews years back the litterature I was given stated that women did have to do fewer push ups/chin ups, run 10 KM in more time and such. But the times and numbers differences weren't that large. E.G. I as a man would have do say 25 push ups in 10 minutes (this is in no way accurate just a guess), a woman would have to do 20 in the same amount of time. Also our ending of gender segregation is only about 10 year old. Another example of this is that when I was trying to join there were few if any higher ranking enlisted women. My friend who was trying to get myself and brother in said was that the desegregation based on gender had happened so soon that no women had the time (promotion being based on years of service and suitability for the job) to get to the higher enlisted ranks (warrent officer or higher). He said this wa because the artillery regiment I was going to go for was classed as a combat unit. Another thing is that women don't join in great numbers, the military has a bad rep for being sexist. While picking up some forms to fill out to join I saw a platoon of recruits training. Of the 20-30 recruits maybe 8 were women.

Also we don't do boot camp. The Canadian military is more like a highly structured and diseplined construction crew. Our officers salute each other, but enlisted don't. You can smart mouth an officer so long as you call him sir. My friend who was a corporal at the time told an officer cabet, that "Those bars on your shoulders mean you don't got to think. You just delegate and dissapear."

[Keba]

Statistically I’ll bet a 5’2” slip of a girl that is the best fighter in class is the exception to the rule. I didn’t say anything about training, just that she was the exception to the rule.

Actually, there were two of the type ... plus one that was 5'6''.

I wouldn't underestimate short people, proper training and anyone can knock down a much larger opponent without training ... when both have similar levels of training, the one with the greater weight usually wins, if he knows proper tactics ... if he doesn't, he's dead.

[yesdachi]

Actually, there were two of the type ... plus one that was 5'6''.

I wouldn't underestimate short people, proper training and anyone can knock down a much larger opponent without training ... when both have similar levels of training, the one with the greater weight usually wins, if he knows proper tactics ... if he doesn't, he's dead.

I rarely underestimate anyone. And I agree that with proper training and motivation a person of diminutive stature can be every bit as skillful in a fight as a larger opponent. But I will stand by my claim that they are the exception.

Just for fun, pick any ten 5’2” slips of a girl from any mall, store, school or babe thread and face them off against any ten 6’+ guys or even girls and imagine (we must imagine because it would be impossible to really test) who would win. The answer is a no brainer. Now just for more fun imagine the same ten 5’2” slips fighting each other in a kid’s pool filled with cool whip! The winner of that fight would be anyone watching. giggity giggity

[Kralizec]

Dev Dave: you mean you're vertically disadvantaged, yet you don't vote for democrats?

Traitor!!!!!!!!!

[Devastatin Dave]

Dev Dave: you mean you're vertically disadvantaged, yet you don't vote for democrats?

Traitor!!!!!!!!!

I just don't want to be "shorted" on my tax return!!!
I know, i know, bad pun. I'm "short" on humor and "low" on puns.
badabing-badaboom!!!

[Major Robert Dump]

All this crap about training and psychology and preparation and fairness mean nothing when you are squaring off with someone who has been having street fights their entiure lives for fun. Hold them all to relatively to the same standards as men for duty police, or they can all shove off, lady soldiers too. Desk and kitchen jobs is where littler, phtsicaly incapable people belong

[drone]

Now just for more fun imagine the same ten 5’2” slips fighting each other in a kid’s pool filled with cool whip! The winner of that fight would be anyone watching. giggity giggity

In red lingerie to see who gets to be the cherry? Alllll riiiiight.