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    Looks like sense is regaining the upper hand in Kansas

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    In a state primary election, Kansas voters have ousted two radical conservative school board members who opposed teaching evolution in schools.

    The result of the 1 August election guarantees that the Kansas state school board will be transformed in January 2007 from one that mainly opposes the teaching of evolution to one that has majority support for it.

    "I am thrilled," says Janet Waugh, a pro-evolution school board member and Democrat who lives in Kansas City and won her primary on Tuesday. "The people of Kansas are tired of being the laughing stock of not just the nation, but the world."

    Although the election was a primary and not a general election, the result ensures that two of the school board's six anti-evolution members will not stand in the general election in November 2006.

    As both the Republican and Democrat candidates for those seats are now very likely to be pro-evolution, the result of the general election should be immaterial: at least six out of 10 school board members will be pro evolution when the current school board hands over in January 2007.

    "The only thing that can happen is for things to get better for us," says Jack Krebs of Kansas Citizens For Science, a non-profit group that seeks to educate the public about evolution.

    A central issue in the primary election was evolution. In November 2005, the school board voted 6 to 4 to change the state's definition of science so that it could include supernatural causes and to change the definition of evolution to imply that evolution conflicts with belief in God (see Kansas backs intelligent design in science lessons).

    Before November 2005, the curriculum read that "science seeks natural explanations". Now it reads that science seeks "more adequate explanations" for natural phenomena. It also adds that: "The view that living things in all the major kingdoms are modified descendants of a common ancestor...has been challenged in recent years", even though mainstream science has produced vast amounts of evidence for common descent.

    These are subtle changes, but would allow supernatural ideas to be taught as science, and an unscientific amount of doubt to be heaped on Darwinian evolution, says Krebs. Anti-evolutionists have a problem accepting certain aspects of Darwinian evolution because it conflicts with the idea that a supernatural being, such as God, created the world.
    Down to business

    John Calvert, manager of the Intelligent Design Network in Shawnee Mission, Kansas, is in favour of the 2005 changes and denies that they were religiously motivated. "I don't think that science is just about material explanation," he says. "There is an enormous amount of data that is inconsistent with common ancestry."

    The state standards form a guide for local school districts but had not yet been adopted into the curriculum of any actual schools, probably because the districts were waiting to ensure that the school board that had voted for them would stay, before going to the effort of changing their curriculums.

    Pro-evolution experts feared that if a majority of anti-evolution candidates had stayed, the curriculum would have been adopted by local districts with creationist leanings. But soon the school board will not have a majority in favour of the new standards. "One of the first parts of getting down to business will be to remove these creationist standards," says Krebs.

    Connie Marsh and Brad Patzer, who were in favour of the new standards in November were ousted in Tuesday’s vote, and will leave the school board in January 2007.


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    Yeah, that's all well and good, but where do they stand on the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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    You know, I never understood the whole Kansas school board thing. It's one thing to propose Intelligent Design, creationism, whatever as a competing 'scientific' theory and present the empirical evidence available to support it. I don't have anywhere near as much of a problem with that.

    But banning any lesson plan that even hints at evolution was just way over the top. If your scientific theory cannot play in the arena of ideas, it doesn't belong there in the first place. Thank goodness (speaking as an electrical engineer) the Bible doesn't even mention electricty, or even lightning. I can only imagine where consumer electronics would be if we were required to teach at the university level that in reality, it was cherubim coming to dwell in a glass globe that made it light up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Thank goodness (speaking as an electrical engineer) the Bible doesn't even mention electricty, or even lightning. I can only imagine where consumer electronics would be if we were required to teach at the university level that in reality, it was cherubim coming to dwell in a glass globe that made it light up.
    Well, they teach us software guys that ICs work because of the magic smoke. When you let the smoke out of the chip, it doesn't work anymore...

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    And the lord sayeth unto noah , I command thee to include a moonpool in my holy revised design , and Noah sayeth in awe to his master blimey oh lord thine wisdom is astounding , the wife was just saying that a DIY project wouldn't be complete without a nice water feature . Oh and while you are here , I got a smal problem with the suppliers , they are all out of pitch and are not expecting any deliveries for a few thousand years Book of Amadan 6-26
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    Unfortunately, it is not sanity that is prevailing in Kansas, but lies and deceit.

    The fanatic darwinists falsely said that the Kansas School board opposed evolution.

    In reality, they only supported teaching that there are some criticisms of evolution:
    http://www.ksde.org/outcomes/sciencestd.html
    (go to 8th-12th grade standards).

    At the top of page 18, dealing with life sciences:
    STANDARD 3: LIFE SCIENCE GRADES 8-12

    LIFE SCIENCE – The student will develop an understanding of the cell, molecular basis of heredity, biological evolution, interdependence of organisms, matter, energy, and organization in living systems, and the behavior of organisms.

    Benchmark 3: The student will understand the major concepts of the theory of biological evolution.
    At the end of the section (page 21).
    The life science standards provide a framework for a variety of courses in the life sciences. Evolution is a key theoretical framework for the life sciences; these indicators should be part of any life science course curriculum, including biology, botany, zoology, and microbiology.
    The part that apparently got the darwinists hot in their tweed (page 20):
    7. explains proposed scientific explanations of the origin of life as well as scientific criticisms of those explanations.

    7. Some of the scientific criticisms include:
    a A lack of empirical evidence for a “primordial soup” or a chemically hospitable pre-biotic atmosphere;
    b. The lack of adequate natural explanations for the genetic code, the sequences of genetic information necessary to specify life, the biochemical machinery needed to translate genetic information into functional biosystems, and the formation of proto-cells; and
    c. The sudden rather than gradual emergence of organisms near the time that the Earth first became habitable.
    All of the standards are not compatible at all with creationism, and make no mention of Intelligent design.

    The darwinists, refusing to acknowledge that there could be some small holes in Darwin's theory, labeled them 'anti-science' among other lies. And I guess for the 'New Scientist' and others in the media using the facts instead of hype is too much work.

    A National Review article on the subject:
    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...E3MWM0Y2ZkOGI=

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    Indoctrinating children with BS like that apes turned into men over time is the polar opposite of "sanity".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    The darwinists, refusing to acknowledge that there could be some small holes in Darwin's theory, labeled them 'anti-science' among other lies. And I guess for the 'New Scientist' and others in the media using the facts instead of hype is too much work.
    I hope you're not confusing Darwinism with Evolutionism, if I may call it that for parallel structure's sake.

    No knowledgeable, rational person disputes evolution. It's as much a fact as the Sun-centered solar system and round Earth. The disputes come in the mechanism(s) of evolution. This is where the science is theoretical.

    Few scientists today follow a purely Darwinian explanation. It fails to answer certain questions on some transitional functional features of organisms. This doesn't mean that alternative or supplemental theories haven't been proposed and tested. After all, Darwin wrote his books 150 years ago!

    Evolution of simple organisms to modern life forms, including humans, of course, should be presented as fact in schools, along with photosynthesis and plate tectonics. The mechanisms that made Evolution come about should be presented as theories.
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    Someone once wrote......

    Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by these who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.
    ......so religeous nuts trying to mix religeon with things that are not religeon is nothing new , 1500 years later and there are still plenty of reckless and incompetent nuts .
    But good news for the school board if the vote goes as predicted .

    And the lord sayeth unto noah , I command thee to include a moonpool in my holy revised design , and Noah sayeth in awe to his master blimey oh lord thine wisdom is astounding , the wife was just saying that a DIY project wouldn't be complete without a nice water feature . Oh and while you are here , I got a smal problem with the suppliers , they are all out of pitch and are not expecting any deliveries for a few thousand years Book of Amadan 6-26

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