Quote Originally Posted by Duke John
Ignorancy and being led by lies and popularism is not caused by your dearly loved Democrats. You are giving them too much credit. I think it is caused more by our consumer society where the "I" is more important than the "we".

And your definition of liberal is still wrong.
His definition of leftist/socialist is still wrong... He still have a tendecy to define it as "anything I dislike".


But basically both parties has become populist machines, driven by huge lobbyists, interested mainly in powergrabs. Both betraying thier original ideals. You need something to revive your parties (like a third party).

Quote Originally Posted by Eclectic
The leftist liberal agenda to dominate the world
I'm impressed by your observation skills. The assumed fortress of leftist liberal agenda, Scandinavia and northern Europe haven't noticed this yet.