To chop or not to chop?

[Lemur]

A dad is suing to force his 12-year-old to become circumcised. The mom, needless to say, is fighting it. Not clear on how the boy feels. Kind of a weird situation, and I feel for the kid.

Other family law experts agree, but say the courts should at least look into the situation to make sure the surgery is in the best interests of the child.

"You're talking about not just religious instruction or whether you're going to send the child to parochial school or public school," commented Lawrence D. Gorin, a Portland attorney. "This is a matter of permanent change of bodily structure. And it's irreversible."

The mother is running out of legal options.

The Oregon Supreme Court has been briefed, but has not decided whether to take the case.

Mark Johnson, a Portland lawyer commenting on the case, said the court shouldn't let the case be decided based only on the legal papers filed on behalf of the mother and father.

"Frankly, the child should have a lawyer," Johnson said.

[TB666]

I side with the mother in this case.
In 6 years this kid can make this decision himself and I think the court should let him make that choice himself.
And just in case, put a restraining order against sharp objects close to his penis.

[Vladimir]

Wow, really. If it hasn't been done by 12 then why force it? Why doesn't the father also try to impose a court order for him to eat his veggies?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

He says the boy wants to
She says he doesn't

Who to believe? If the kid doesn't want to he should own up and say so.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Hm...I wonder how many 12 years old boys of free will want to have the tip of their penis cut off before they get 18 years old? Circumcision is a sado-masochistic-religious ritual comparable to the Ubangi plates in the lips, female circumcision in East Africa and Burmese women putting rings to lengthen their necks, and some Ethiopian people where whipping 12-15 years old girls has some fertility ritual function. Based on human biological rights reasoning none of these things belong in the 21st century, but based on culture tolerance ideals they should all be allowed. Difficult question, but as long as nobody forces someone else to do any of these things it should probably be allowed. The problem with all these rites is that in the cultures they occur they are usually believed to be necessary to do while the victim is still a young child, and they oppose leaving the decision until 18 years age or similar.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's right up there with that barbaric practice of vaccination

[Rodion Romanovich]

Vaccination doesn't mean cutting off part of your reproductive organ, removing 90% of your feelings during sex. Circumcision makes you end up unable to satisfy your sexuality - your need is still left, but you lose most of the ability to satisfy it. Unsatisfaction leads to frustration, frustration to depression, and depression to traumatization. I know from my own experience. I'd give anything to have the circumcision reversed. Just after I got it, I had extra strong sexual sensibility for about 2 months, but then it started going away until almost all of it is now gone. I haven't been any successful with women after it, and been heavily traumatized. Only girls I have attracted are sado-masochistic sickoes, which naturally makes me feel even more traumatized about this cruel form of sadistic mutilation to repress the male sexuality. I'd give anything to have this mutilation reversed. Unfortunately, it can't be done.

[doc_bean]

It's right up there with that barbaric practice of vaccination

Besides the fact that it mutilates the body and serves no purpose in 99% of the cases it's performed ?

Yeah, good analogy.

[naut]

Then again, anything is helpful in areas where dry sex is popular.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Besides the fact that it mutilates the body and serves no purpose in 99% of the cases it's performed ?

Yeah, good analogy.

Sorry, I just find it amusing how worked up people get over this. It's a medical procedure. There are cultural reasons people do it but they are based on medical reasoning. Why do you care what he chooses to do?

[doc_bean]

Sorry, I just find it amusing how worked up people get over this. It's a medical procedure. There are cultural reasons people do it but they are based on medical reasoning. Why do you care what he chooses to do?

I didn't get worked up.

If appendiciteses were performed on every infant for cultural/religous reasons would you just call it a medical procedure too ?

Sure it is a mdeical procedure, but it isn't performed for medical reasons.

[Vladimir]

Nothing involving my penis is "just a medical procedure."

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I didn't get worked up.

If appendiciteses were performed on every infant for cultural/religous reasons would you just call it a medical procedure too ?

Sure it is a mdeical procedure, but it isn't performed for medical reasons.

I meant legio.

Doctors do it for medical reasons, lot's of people request it for same.

If appendectomies were really simple operations I'd say go for it

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Another difference between appendectomies and cicumcision is that you probably wouldn't really notice that you didn't have an appendix, without the scar. Whereas a circumcision removes a very visible-and, I think, very useful-part of you.

[Grey_Fox]

For the love of christ...

Circumcision is not mutilation. I had mine removed when I was around 4 or so because it was causing extreme pain every time I pissed and haven't regretted having it removed. It's nothing really, and doesn't cause any harm.

I will not have anybody else tell me how I should feel about myself. I will not have other people tell me I feel I have been 'mutilated'. My penis works as it was intended to work, no less effectively than if it hadn't been circumcised.

Get over your indignation and your own insecurities.

[Rodion Romanovich]

How do you know it's less effective, if you had it removed when you were 4?

[Fragony]

a very visible-and, I think, very useful-part of you.

Sometimes when the poor guy is not wearing his hat it doesn't feel very pleasant, so dry it itches. Having a foreskin also makes the waking up-stir-smell finger routine possible, which I couldn't do without personally.

[Lemur]

Having a foreskin also makes the waking up-stir-smell finger routine possible, which I couldn't do without personally.

I'm not sure what you mean, and I'm really, really hoping you never explain it to me.

[Vladimir]

I thought you would know what it means since you come from behind the cheddar curtain.

(I hope noone was eating when they read that)

[Divinus Arma]

Jesus. Why is this thread still alive and kicking? Yuck, Yuck, Yuck, Yuck, Yuck. The smegma jokes have run their course. Please people. YUCK!

[Lemur]

What's the matter, DA, can't handle the longevity of your own thread? Who knows, maybe I'll find a concept as disgusting as dry sex again to rekindle the flames.

[sapi]

* Adds to list of things he now knows, but still wishes he didn't know about