You're 56 tomorrow...bye Dad

[The Darkhorn]

I've been lazy and never downloaded the patch which fixes the fix of death time. Okay, there's another problem. I've already downloaded and played (love it) the XL mod. If I get the patch, will it also fix it on XL (still dying at 56 too)? Will I lose my current campaigns, etc.?

Thanks in advance for the info!

[danfda]

Yeah, it seems to fix that bug in XL as well. My most recent Serbian tsar was 66, methinkes, when he passed. Which is older than 56. ;)

His son was (is) a good tsar. His grandson is a stumbing chinless wonder that I need to have fall down the stairs...onto a table...with an axe on it...

[Scurvy]

i think i had a khan live up to 70 recently

[macsen rufus]

The best I can recall is an Armenian king in XL that made it to 77....

[Vladimir]

I told you Armenia RULES!!!

[Martok]

One of our members (can't remember who) once had a Turkish Sultan who actually made it to 82-83. My personal record is 79, but they usually kick the bucket long before that. I'd say the average age of death for my faction leaders is around 65, give or take a few years.

[macsen rufus]

I told you Armenia RULES!!!

I agree 100% - my first try with XL, thought I'd go for something challenging and unusual. Those Armenian infantry can take on RKs and win quite handsomely - and without skulking in the trees! It's also the only faction where I've suffered the wraparound bug on my heirs - but that's not such an issue when the King lives so long...

[nick_maxell]

One of our members (can't remember who) once had a Turkish Sultan who actually made it to 82-83. My personal record is 79, but they usually kick the bucket long before that. I'd say the average age of death for my faction leaders is around 65, give or take a few years.

I my recent Danish campaign all but one of my kings made it over 70 - the oldes got 80 (I also remember a campaign where I had a 86 year old pope which I dispatched of with an assasin as I got tired of waiting him to die to get rid of my excommunication)
Must be the danish food although starting with the "son" in his mid 50s makes it sometimes close for his sons to reach 16 ...

[Martok]

I my recent Danish campaign all but one of my kings made it over 70 - the oldes got 80 (I also remember a campaign where I had a 86 year old pope which I dispatched of with an assasin as I got tired of waiting him to die to get rid of my excommunication)
Must be the danish food

Yeah, Danish royals do seem to live a long time; my king that made it to 79 was a Dane.

although starting with the "son" in his mid 50s makes it sometimes close for his sons to reach 16 ...

That's one of the relatively few nitpicks I have with MTW. It would have been awfully nice if my crown prince's sons would appear as soon as he ascends to the throne. I wouldn't even mind if I couldn't use my grandsons right away; it's just that it's ridiculous to think my crown prince would wait to start spawning heirs until after he became king....

[Celtic_Guardian]

I honestly the first few times I played didn't notice the 56 year rule/glitch. After a while i was sort of like, hmmmmmmm coincidence that all the leaders have exactly the same life span?hmmmmm no.

[_Aetius_]

Hey does anybody know if installing patch 2.01 over XL will cause any disruption to saved games?

[macsen rufus]

@aetius

I'm not too sure, but what you could do is make a second copy of your MTW/XL folder, patch ONE copy and try a saved game...

I think the patch does screw up games in the unmodded version, so guess the same would apply to modded ones, too.

[edyzmedieval]

There's a rule, which applies to STW as well.
The more you use your king in combat(after you apply the patch), the more he lives.

[Martok]

There's a rule, which applies to STW as well.
The more you use your king in combat(after you apply the patch), the more he lives.

You know, I've wondered about that for a long time now, but was never sure if there was a proven correlation or not. It's like the more "active" your king/daimyo is, the longer he lives. (Sort of like a guy that gets a lot of excercise versus one who sits on the couch the whole time watching TV. )

[Ironside]

That's one of the relatively few nitpicks I have with MTW. It would have been awfully nice if my crown prince's sons would appear as soon as he ascends to the throne. I wouldn't even mind if I couldn't use my grandsons right away; it's just that it's ridiculous to think my crown prince would wait to start spawning heirs until after he became king....

That's what you've got emissaries for. To ask for marriage.

[Martok]

That's what you've got emissaries for. To ask for marriage.

That's the problem I have. Princes that are already married still don't start having kids until they become king. By the time my son ascends to the throne, he should at least have a couple kids that are underage, possibly even mature (depending on how old the guy was when he was crowned). I get very nervous when a 45-year old prince has just become king but doesn't have any heirs yet.

(Though I'm reluctant to admit it, heirs and family members is one thing that Rome did better that Medieval!)

[Ironside]

That's the problem I have. Princes that are already married still don't start having kids until they become king. By the time my son ascends to the throne, he should at least have a couple kids that are underage, possibly even mature (depending on how old the guy was when he was crowned). I get very nervous when a 45-year old prince has just become king but doesn't have any heirs yet.

Your hiers usually get children before coming to age, you'll simply see some more hiers when the new king is crowned. It's not unusual to get two hiers with the same age that way.
But it will occationally happen that you have to go through quite a few brothers before a young hier comes to age. Your hiers don't get children if they got 5 brothers BTW, due to the fact that you only get 6 male hiers at the same time.

(Though I'm reluctant to admit it, heirs and family members is one thing that Rome did better that Medieval!)

They can't fail on everything you know

[drone]

But it will occationally happen that you have to go through quite a few brothers before a young hier comes to age. Your hiers don't get children is they got 5 brothers BTW, due to the fact that you only get 6 male hiers at the same time.

I did not know that, you truly are the master of useless knowledge. I suppose this is to limit the number of "free" royal units a faction gets?

[Martok]

@Ironside: Hmm, that's a good point. I should pay attention to see how many brothers I have running around when a prince becomes king.

I did not know that, you truly are the master of useless knowledge. I suppose this is to limit the number of "free" royal units a faction gets?

I believe that's the rationale behind the limit, yes. In addition, it might help smaller factions from being bankrupted by having to support an over-abundance of RK's running around--just ask the Danes about that.

[Ironside]

I did not know that, you truly are the master of useless knowledge. I suppose this is to limit the number of "free" royal units a faction gets?

Most likely. No limits on the female side though. Once my king did get 10 daughters before his first son and continued to get children of both genders after that. Sadly, the king was 43 when the first son came and this was a 2.0 campaign...

Only campaign outside godmode were I lost due to no hiers. Luckily this happened when my starting king didn't get any older grandsons.