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    Default Is video game an art?

    Based on what i read, this guy is claiming its not an art, and thus violence should not be depicted, becuase LOL THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN.

    So orgahs, a change from realpolitik to video game politics, while a very arbitary issue, i'd still like to hear opinions on it.

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    Degrees in Video Game Design "Kidnap American Education"

    by Ted Rueter, Assistant Professor of Political Science at DePauw University, Greencastle, Indiana

    Coming soon to a college or university near you: a major in designing violent video games. The New York Times reports that such august institutions as the University of Southern California, Georgia Tech, Carnegie Mellon, the New School, and the University of Central Florida are now offering undergraduate and master's degrees in joysticks and video predators. The International Game Developers Association notes that there are more than 100 North American universities offering programs in video game design, with many more overseas.

    Video game design as a college major? It's yet another sign of the coming of the apocalypse. Schools of higher learning are simply cashing in on a fad that is destructive to society.

    Electronic Arts, the nation's largest game maker, has led the way in encouraging ivy-stained institutions to teach the design of such games as Grand Theft Auto, World of Warcraft, Doom, Wolfenstein 3D, and Mortal Kombat. Last year, the company contributed millions of dollars to establish a three-year master of fine arts program in "interactive entertainment" at USC.

    Video games are big business--rivaling the movie industry. In 2004, video game sales totaled $9.9 billion. Electronic Arts alone employs 4,300 video game makers.

    Video games also have a grip on the younger generation. Surveys indicate that young boys spend an average of 13 hours a week playing video games. For girls, the figure is 5 hours per week. Studies indicate that the amount of time spent playing video games is associated with lower grades.

    The central problem with video games is their violence. The National Coalition on Television Violence (NCTV) has developed a ratings system to evaluate the violent content of video games, ranging from XUnfit, XV, and RV (highly violent) to PG and G. NCTV surveyed 176 Nintendo video games. They gave the XUnfit rating to 11 percent of games. Forty-three percent received an XV and 15 percent earned an RV. A different survey found that 40 of the 47 top-rated Nintendo video games had violence as a theme.

    Unfortunately, children seem to enjoy violence in video games. In a 1993 study, psychologists asked 357 seventh and eighth graders for their preferences among five categories of video games. Thirty-two percent said they preferred games that involved fantasy violence.

    There is evidence that exposure to violent video games increases aggression. Psychologists Craig Anderson and Karen Dill examined the behaviors and attitudes of 227 college students who play video games. "Our study reveals that young men who are habitually aggressive may be especially vulnerable to the aggression-enhancing effects of repeated exposure to violent video games," said Anderson. "Even a brief exposure to violent video games can temporarily increase aggressive behavior in all types of participants." Anderson also notes that "violent video games provide a forum for learning and practicing aggressive solutions to conflict situations."

    Fifty years of research have established the negative consequences of watching violent television and movies. However, violent video games may have even stronger effects on children's aggression, because (1) the games are highly engaging and interactive; (2) the games reward violent behavior; and (3) children repeat these behaviors over and over as they play.

    In addition, the content of video games may influence children's atititudes toward gender roles. In Nintendo games, women are often depicted as victims. The covers of Nintendo games show males striking a dominant pose. Many games are based upon a scenario in which a woman is kidnapped or has to be rescued

    Offering degrees in video game design is to kidnap American education. Higher education needs to be rescued from such destructive nonsense.


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    eh.... the question whether it is or not something worth of a degree is barely addressed in the article. Instead, the author nicely launches into a rant about how evil video games are, and how they are destroying our children...

    I wish we had a puking smiley.

    So, no offense to you, faisal (it is you, right ?), my disgust is directed to the article and its fanatical holier-than-thou author...

    "There is a connection between kids who play games and lower grades".... BULL****.
    How about a connection between lazy kids and low grades ? How about a connection between kids who spend too much time doing anything but homework and lower grades ?
    We should make it illegal for kids to hang out in malls, playgrounds, watch TV, and generally do anything other than homework - because, if you do "serious" research on it, I'm sure it will reveal a connection between those activities and lower grades. Pah!
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    I have a brother in law that's a cop and his favorite console game was vice-city. Go figure.

    I think any valid business enterprise that requires four years of eduction should be considered as a viable educational pursuit that the board of trustees for the University should consider. Not really any of my business what degrees are offered at which University.

    I wonder how the author would feel if he discovered that Bob Jones University was losing it's accreditation for offering 'Rhapsody Studies and Preparedness" majors.
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    In 10 years, the videogame generation will be the politicians and none of this rubbish will fly. What about sports games? For my money, Fifa 06 is one of the best games ever created. This guy just wants to fit in and join all of America Politishans in thier hate of videogames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blodrast
    eh.... the question whether it is or not something worth of a degree is barely addressed in the article. Instead, the author nicely launches into a rant about how evil video games are, and how they are destroying our children...

    I wish we had a puking smiley.

    So, no offense to you, faisal (it is you, right ?), my disgust is directed to the article and its fanatical holier-than-thou author...

    "There is a connection between kids who play games and lower grades".... BULL****.
    How about a connection between lazy kids and low grades ? How about a connection between kids who spend too much time doing anything but homework and lower grades ?
    We should make it illegal for kids to hang out in malls, playgrounds, watch TV, and generally do anything other than homework - because, if you do "serious" research on it, I'm sure it will reveal a connection between those activities and lower grades. Pah!
    Yes its faisal, and no offence taken, i don't see why i'd be offended as i'm against the article too and i pretty much agree with you.
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    So what does this have to do with whether video games are 'art' or not?

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    What about the rising red tide of violence in movies? Do universities have courses on film studies? What?!? They do?!?! Think of the children!!!!

    I think the missing link (and I do mean missing) between children and violent behavior is the parents. The games have a ratings system. If you let your 10 year old kid hole up in his room playing GTA, you have no one to point your finger at but yourself. If parents insist on letting Hollywood or Playstation babysit their kids, they deserve what they get.
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    I most loved the part of how playing violent video games causes agression in people who are, and I quote, "habitually agressive".

    Are they sure it's the video games?

    Who's taking bets that the NCTV is some nut-case group?

    And since when does video game design have anything to do with violence? I'll admit that most games these days are violent, but not all of them ... I'm fascinated how they can make sweeping statements from partial information.

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    They CAN be. 95% (statistic pulled from the wonderful world of "my arse") aren't.
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