Overhand Hoplites?

**deadmeat36** · 09-15-2006, 03:32

Is there a mod for overhand hoplites like there is for rome total realism?

If there is could you also please direct me to it

**fallen851** · 09-15-2006, 06:41

Your name says it all...

EB has units that use their spears overhand.

**Atreidis** · 09-15-2006, 12:06

If you mean classic hoplites like those in the Persian wars then......

http://hegemonia.byethost4.com/?id=home

This is the mod you are looking for. It is said it's going to be released in a month or two.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 09-15-2006, 18:15

Or you can try the Extended Greek Mod.

**MSB** · 09-16-2006, 19:09

I know what you mean by overhand hoplites, but how did hoplites historically hold their spears? Overarm (like in TE or in RTR) or underarm (like vanillia hoplites in phalanx formation) at the moment I beleive they held them underarm because it would be very tiring and it would hurt the arm to hold a reasonably long spear overarm however I am not at all sure. Could somebody please explain how hoplites would have historically held their spears?
Thankyou

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 09-16-2006, 19:13

Many discussions on this in this and other fora here. It is our opinion, and the most common scholarly one (though there are certainly people who maintain it's underarm), that classical hoplites, and thus the more old-style hoplites we will be including, did indeed hold their spears above their shields and not below them in most situations (i.e., against other infantry).

**Atreidis** · 09-16-2006, 22:33

Bear in mind that classical hoplites were not walking, but when they closed to the enemy they charge and pushed him with their big shields. In this movement, called othismos they pushed with their shields while using their spears to hit the enemies at the face or chest. Of course we can suggest that after a long fight they would lower them down, cause of fatigue but in ancient Greece, most times those clashes lasted for a few minutes.