Mafia IV: Night of the Living Mafia [Concluded]

[UltraWar]

Hmm, you guys are on the roll there about the heavy metal and Chemistry thing.
Discovery is sure a candidate because of his line of study. I remember chatting with him about his study. There were a couple of others there that majored in Chemistry. If I could only remember who they were.

The killing of Silver Rusher is interesting though, maybe done by someone wanting to get back at Silver for some reason.
The write up is somewhat indicating poor English skills, with other words someone that have English as their second or third language.
I believe Silver got on the wrong foot with Ultrawar in ‘The Thing’ game.
It could be that Ultrawar want to get back at Silver for calling him a poor game-host. Or it could be a setup to frame Ultrawar by someone also noticing this.

Let’s hear what Ultrawar has to say.
Vote:Ultrawar

This is a intresting theory. It could be three things:

A)Me framing myself
B)Someone framing me
C)Me framing myself but being a mafiaso which would be dangerous for me to do as I would be a mafiaso but would hope that no-one picked up on it.

If I killed Silver Rusher, the Thing Game would have nothing to do with the killing.

It's just a shame I wasn't there when he was killed

Vote:Destroyer of Hope

[Orb]

I'm going to agree with Disco. What kind of name is 'Michigan' anyway?

Vote: Ice

[Crazed Rabbit]

Pfft, a lousy frame attempt on me if it is even one. I would've used white phosphorous and a tank of slowly draining water if I wanted a chemistry related death.

On the other hand, DoH's inconstant behavoir and easy vote for Kage are suspect.

Vote: Destroyer of Hope

Sasaki, I wouldn't jump on Drisos too much for not mounting a 'defense'- the evidence against him is very circumstantial and flimsy.

Crazed Rabbit

[Divine Wind]

Kagemusha requested to be hung by the neck, which would be an odd tactic to use by the mafia so it is pointless voting for him.

Discovery and Ice voting each other every game would be a good cover for a few rounds, until one of them ends up dead, and then we can see how they change tactics.

Sasaki mentioned earlier on in the post about Drisos possibley slipping up seems a more logical vote. If the Mafia do make any mistakes, it will tend to be early on in the game, when they have a high percentage of surviving, and feel less inclined to think before they post. Therefore my vote goes to Drisos.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Hmm, well. I must say that I do get a genuine feeling from Drisos's post. However, he could just be playing us, and I really can't think of anyone else to vote for. So, my vote stands, even if I do think Drisos is innocent, as you never know, and abstaining wouldn't acheive anything.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki, I wouldn't jump on Drisos too much for not mounting a 'defense'- the evidence against him is very circumstantial and flimsy.

Crazed Rabbit

I unvoted him when he defended himself and said as much.

Hmm hmm hmm
Interesting developments. I've added a couple of names to my personal 'probably innocent/suspicious/no idea' list.

Personally I find Kage's behavior very odd. There have been a bit of meaningless friendly sparring in this thread (Are you a Mafioso then?/He's from Michigan!) and like I said, that's all fairly meaningless. But Kage leapt into one of his own, insisting he's the mafia and wants to be lynched. A lot of people have seemingly dismissed him because of that.

It would seem a big risk to take as a mafioso, but one that is likely to pay off. The 'I haven't been lynched yet' is a good excuse not to commit suicide, and diverts attention (by joking) away from him. I find it all very suspicious.

This "lynch me" behavior has been done before and the person turned out innocent. Often came very close to being lynched. People won't forget about what he said, he'll always be a possible lynch choice.

I suspect he was just trying to have some fun.

I think the Osmium is a false lead. I think someone has clearly gone out of their way to include it. Even a ChemEng wouldn't use Osmium in a mafia game. I think the more we ignore that bit of the post, the better. Though it does mean (in my oppinion) that someone in the mafia is deliberately trying to throw us, which isn't going to make things easy.

I agree. It's worth examining red herrings because you can learn something from them, but to vote on it is a fallacy.



@Dutch Guy--What's selfless about my behavior? I'm having a blast.


Oh and General H (or somebody) could we pleaaaaaaaase get a vote count?

[Avicenna]

You know, I checked wiki and you're all wrong!

Osmium isn't densest. It's just one of the densest. However, it can be googled because it is widely known as the densest. I think in space though, somehow osmium is defeated by iridium.

Anyway, further reading in this article (at applications) reveals the apparent lack of chemical knowledge by the mafioso. Osmium is extremely toxic, and rarely is used in its pure form. Also, as you would naturally expect from an extremely dense metal, it is very very very hard and brittle. You could not loop it around a person's neck without it snapping. Even if by some miracle you could, the toxic would probably be enough to kill them, and you wouldn't hold on. Why? BECAUSE IT'S TOXIC AND HARD! It would probably have cut the neck somehow and entered the bloodstream, or if it's potent enough even just burn right through the skin. It's also highly unlikely that someone can rip it apart when deprived of an oxygen supply.

Hence, it's probably someone trying to frame disco. However, he's an engineer who has no need of knowing the dense elements well. As he's an engineer, he'll be interested in smelly physics anyway. He probably wouldn't know this much about osmium, and so wouldn't include this detail. He'd be too busy playing DD and playing with his shrunken head to look it up as well, IMHO.

[Myrddraal]

Hmm hmm hmm
Interesting developments. I've added a couple of names to my personal 'probably innocent/suspicious/no idea' list.

Personally I find Kage's behavior very odd. There have been a bit of meaningless friendly sparring in this thread (Are you a Mafioso then?/He's from Michigan!) and like I said, that's all fairly meaningless. But Kage leapt into one of his own, insisting he's the mafia and wants to be lynched. A lot of people have seemingly dismissed him because of that.

It would seem a big risk to take as a mafioso, but one that is likely to pay off. The 'I haven't been lynched yet' is a good excuse not to commit suicide, and diverts attention (by joking) away from him. I find it all very suspicious.

Drisos' defence felt fairly resigned and also genuine. Either he's engineered that post very well, or he's innocent. I'm tending towards innocent (for now ).

I think the Osmium is a false lead. I think someone has clearly gone out of their way to include it. Even a ChemEng wouldn't use Osmium in a mafia game. I think the more we ignore that bit of the post, the better. Though it does mean (in my oppinion) that someone in the mafia is deliberately trying to throw us, which isn't going to make things easy.

I also think that Ultra's language (I base this oppinion entirely from the Thing thread) doesn't fit that of the kill post. Let's face it, the 'pound' sounds like a spell check correction, and the grammar of that post is more smooth than the grammar Ultra uses in his Thing thread (nothing personal Ultra ).

To be honest, despite the strange behavior of Kage it's not enough for me to vote for him (it doesn't help his case though). Most of those who have posted long arguments have strengthened their cases in my eyes, which makes those who vote for bad reasons (those voting Ice for example) are the most suspect to me.

My Grandad once insisted to me that not voting was a vote for the extreem party, and I fear in mafia games that's all too true, but I can't find any individual high up enough on my 'suspicious' list to be worthy of a vote. So unfortunately:

UnVote:Drisos
Vote:Abstain

[Drisos]

Drisos' defence felt fairly resigned and also genuine. Either he's engineered that post very well, or he's innocent. I'm tending towards innocent (for now ).

hehe indeed. If I would be mafia.. that would be very well engineered indeed. Seems like I'm even surviving the first lynch! hurray

I also think that Ultra's language (I base this oppinion entirely from the Thing thread) doesn't fit that of the kill post. Let's face it, the 'pound' sounds like a spell check correction, and the grammar of that post is more smooth than the grammar Ultra uses in his Thing thread (nothing personal Ultra ).

Well, I'm hosting a mafia game on another forum, and just noticed someone writing totally different then he usually did. (he used proper interpunction etc, instead of his usual 'slang') So Ultrawar might just be changing his language on purpose. However, his post didn't sound 'suspicious' to me.. he's talked like that before, being innocent.

My vote for Csar stands. I could change to abstain but it won't make a difference anyway..

my.. this game is getting really, really intresting already. Shame I don't have more time to spend on it..

btw I haven't even counted the votes.. still wondering if I'll survive or not.. the execution should be up anytime now.. exciting!