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    This article from the BBC reads like an April Fools prank, but it's October 17th, so something's off. Basically, some nut with a Ph.D has theorized that our species will split into eloi and morlocks, an Idea first put forward in 1895. So the dude's a little late to the party.

    Kinda weird. Anxious to hear what the Orgahs think of this one.

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    Human species 'may split in two'

    Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years' time as predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.

    Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.

    The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

    People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to divide into sub-species, he added.

    The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.

    Race 'ironed out'

    But in the nearer future, humans will evolve in 1,000 years into giants between 6ft and 7ft tall, he predicts, while life-spans will have extended to 120 years, Dr Curry claims.

    Physical appearance, driven by indicators of health, youth and fertility, will improve, he says, while men will exhibit symmetrical facial features, look athletic, and have squarer jaws, deeper voices and bigger penises.

    Women, on the other hand, will develop lighter, smooth, hairless skin, large clear eyes, pert breasts, glossy hair, and even features, he adds. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-coloured people.

    However, Dr Curry warns, in 10,000 years time humans may have paid a genetic price for relying on technology.

    Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals.

    Receding chins

    Social skills, such as communicating and interacting with others, could be lost, along with emotions such as love, sympathy, trust and respect. People would become less able to care for others, or perform in teams.

    Physically, they would start to appear more juvenile. Chins would recede, as a result of having to chew less on processed food.

    There could also be health problems caused by reliance on medicine, resulting in weak immune systems. Preventing deaths would also help to preserve the genetic defects that cause cancer.

    Further into the future, sexual selection - being choosy about one's partner - was likely to create more and more genetic inequality, said Dr Curry.

    The logical outcome would be two sub-species, "gracile" and "robust" humans similar to the Eloi and Morlocks foretold by HG Wells in his 1895 novel The Time Machine.
    "While science and technology have the potential to create an ideal habitat for humanity over the next millennium, there is a possibility of a monumental genetic hangover over the subsequent millennia due to an over-reliance on technology reducing our natural capacity to resist disease, or our evolved ability to get along with each other, said Dr Curry.

    He carried out the report for men's satellite TV channel Bravo.

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    Wow.

    "Some nut with a Ph.D." indeed.

    I don't think those predictions are even remotely close to being founded in reality. This guy clearly has no idea of how science and technology actually change the world.

    Oh, and as a technophile, I guess I'd be an Eloi.
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    Thats just nonsense. Maybe if humans colonised other planets you would have a split in the species, because of isolation and different environments, but not on Earth.

    This is the most important line the whole article:
    He carried out the report for men's satellite TV channel Bravo.
    This is what is on Bravo today:
    09:15 Xena: Warrior Princess
    10:20 Knight Rider
    11:25 Starsky and Hutch
    12:30 Street Crime UK 2
    13:00 World's Most Amazing Videos 2
    14:00 Street Crime UK 2
    14:30 Street Crime UK 2
    15:00 Dog the Bounty Hunter 2
    15:30 Dog the Bounty Hunter 2
    16:00 Cops On Camera
    17:00 Xena: Warrior Princess
    18:00 Knight Rider
    19:00 Starsky and Hutch
    20:00 Dog the Bounty Hunter 2
    20:30 Dog the Bounty Hunter 2
    21:00 Cops On Camera
    22:00 Football Saved My Life
    23:00 XXXL: The Real Dirk Diggler
    Not the most scientific channel ever created.

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    tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative
    between 6ft and 7ft tal
    symmetrical facial features, look athletic, and have squarer jaws, deeper voices and bigger penises
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    I'd prefer to be a Morlock. I don't want to be eaten.
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    He carried out the report for men's satellite TV channel Bravo.
    I agree, this is the most important bit. I'm not sure how he could come to these conclusions, to be honest-with global travel being easier, social mobility improving, etc, surely our genetic makeup should become more homogenous, rather than diverge? I completely fail to see how sympatric speciation could occur.

    Ah well. This is what happens when you give social scientists lots of funding, I suppose.
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    I read that. He's either a joker or an idiot.

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    I think it makes some sense, after all generally speaking fat ugly people marry fat ugly people and have fat ugly kids, its just extrapolating that over 10,000 years.
    The whole "cofee-colored people" part is plain obvious too, unless some other species gets involved and breeds with us (not liking the thought of that tbh)
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    This guy is mentally handicapped. Aside from all his ridiculous predictions, we have mapped the human genome, in a few years we will be able to engineer ourselves to be able to do anything and look any way we want. Evolution? Humph, who needs it.
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    However, Dr Curry warns, in 10,000 years time humans may have paid a genetic price for relying on technology.
    Or we could just keep making tools, as we have for thousands of years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanamori
    Or we could just keep making tools, as we have for thousands of years...
    Plus we could just modify ourselves to be better...

    In Iain Bank's Culture novels, the Culture are a group of people who live the ultimate in the playboy life. No fear, freedom, no money, can live as long as they want etc. So following this report's logic, they should be degenerate hunchbacks. But they aren't, because they're the product of 11,000 years of genetic manipulation and design, so still adapt to new environments faster than others, still think quicker, etc.

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    Bigger penises ?
    Crap, I knew I was born in the wrong time and place...

    Oh, one more thing though, which he didn't seem to touch upon in his article. In the original work, the Eloi, while beautiful, were completely retarded. It was the ugly "subhuman" morlocks who were the crafty, techy race. So this doesn't exactly mesh with his prediction - at least not in the way the Eloi and Morlocks were really depicted in the original.

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    The article is pretty crappy...

    1. If one part of society is clearly better than an other part, what keeps them alive ? Charity ?

    2. He seems to believe men and women will grow further apart, what of certain characteristics are linked ?

    3. He doesn't account for genetic engineering, or human-computer interactions.

    4. They'll give anyone a Ph D. these days
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    Sounds like the Paris Hilton approach to becoming famous...


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    If his hypothesis was correct, why hasn't it happened already?

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    His hypothesis contains a contradiction.

    We will become coffee coloured because of blending of everyone.

    Then for some reason we stop blending and breed two totally different species.

    Which is it? And why would we blend then stop blending? And if we stop once what stops it being a continual cycle?
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    americans have already split: the genetically inferior victim liberals... and...

    oh forget it. i dont need to be banned.
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    I think he might mean that class/physique differences would create this split, while interracial breeding would occur on both sides of it.

    This sounds like a dramatic speculation made to catch readers' eyes. I don't think anybody can predict this sort of thing. It also sounds like he only considered Western civilization when he wrote this. Many people seem to assume that current technology will improve and expand to every corner of the world and we'll all live like they do in Star Trek. I have my doubts about this.
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    I know. I was joking.
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    Cool. I ponder, though: Is it cannibalism if a Morlock eats an Eloi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Doctor
    Thats just nonsense. Maybe if humans colonised other planets you would have a split in the species, because of isolation and different environments, but not on Earth.

    This is the most important line the whole article:


    This is what is on Bravo today:


    Not the most scientific channel ever created.
    Reminds me of the Jon Stewart- Tucker Carlson exchange in regards to why the Daily Show wasn't more "hard-hitting"

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    Muppet. If evolution has proven anything, species of the 'homo' genus will keep on lessening until you end up with us all being identical.

    After all, there used to be quite a few different species of humans, but they've all died out, leaving us.

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    Why do I get the impression that this is some inbred toff?
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    He does have a few good points. Height will increase, there is evidence of "giants" well over 7ft tall in Greece among the upper class 1,200 years ago. He's probably also right about how sexual selection would change the appearence of the species.

    The problem with that is that the genes that make pretty girls also make pretty, not masculine, men.

    The two race thing would really require serious social issues in the future.

    In short the bits he may have right anyonw with half a brain could work out and the rest is bull.
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    Eloi and Morlocks? I remember those names from the movie with the guy from Memento (Guy Pierce?)

    Not gonna happen though since Humans are highly mobile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
    The problem with that is that the genes that make pretty girls also make pretty, not masculine, men.
    That's a moot point.

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    What a buffoon Oliver Curry is. I'd be surprised if he doesn't become one of "evolution's" poster boys soon since they all seem to love believing in crackpot theories like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navaros
    What a buffoon Oliver Curry is. I'd be surprised if he doesn't become one of "evolution's" poster boys soon since they all seem to love believing in crackpot theories like that.
    Yeah, instead of believing scientifically solid stuff like the 'Rapture' and heaven.

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    Hi guys did you miss me?

    Anyway, can't stop, but I did find this for Navaros's Christmas present:http://www.secularism.org.uk/shop.html?eshopid=68926 Yes, its the evolution board game. Y'all know you want one.
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    Well if you believe in the evolutiontheory then it's a bit weird to assume that all humans will develope/have developed in exactly the same way.

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