The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...au contraire. The game began even before it began.

[Lemur]

What's taking so long? Is the "godfather" dithering? Come on, gramps! Pick some brutal henchmen and let's get this show on the road!

[Silver Rusher]

For those who have asked, the game will start at 9:00 PM GMT today. I was out all yesterday evening so I couldn't do it then, apologies.

[Myrddraal]

T minus 3 hours!

[Masy]

53 mins...

[UltraWar]

39 minutes until D-Day

[GeneralHankerchief]

39 minutes until D-Day

...plus time for Silver to log on, check his PMs, and rewrite the kills.

[Csargo]

heh Well guys it should be about time for the start hopefully.

[UltraWar]

The game has started!

[Csargo]

The game has started!

I don't think it does until SR posts the kills or whatever.

[Silver Rusher]

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.

The fair had moved into town recently. It was a joyous occasion for all those who visited, especially Lemur, who was having a great time. He was in the Gameroom after all; how could anything possibly harm him in the Gameroom?

Out of all the wondrous fairground booths, one particularly caught Lemur's eye. It was a bagatelle booth! The mustachioed man in the booth gave him a funny look before opening his mouth to speak.

"Ah, we have a challenger! Very well, step right up and drop the little ball. Where it lands will determine your prize!"

Bagatelle involves a board with metal rods sticking out, which make the ball change direction as it falls. In an ordinary game, this usually makes the ball go into the farthest slot on the right, resulting in no prize. But the one Lemur played was slightly different.

He stepped up to the game board and dropped the ball. He watched it go left, then right, then left, then left, then right, and in the slot that read "Medium Prize!" 'Alright,' Lemur thought.

The mustachioed man handed Lemur a soft, pink pony. Without hesistation, Lemur took it. His daughter had always wanted one of these, and now he dad would be able to give her one. The grin stayed on Lemur's face throughout his day at the fair, and even in the car as he was driving home. As he turned onto the main road he noticed a strange sound coming from the backseat, where he had left the pink pony.

"ticktickticktickticktick"

Lemur's foot slammed the brakes, but before it had any effect...

"KABOOOM!!!" Lemur's car, and his body with it, disappeared into the inferno.

It was safe to say that UltraWar was not the wealthiest man in the Gameroom. In fact, it would have been pretty safe to say he was among the poorest. He was so poor in fact that he and his wife both had to work 2 shifts on their jobs.

Coming home from his job as a machinery operator at the Gameroom Quarry, he was incredibly tired. It was midnight when he even left the place; as you can imagine, being held back on a 2-shift workday isn't the most pleasant experience. He drove along the empty mountain road, winding around the contours of the mountainside at most half awake.

He was so tired that he didn't notice as a van left its parking space on the side of the road until the last minute. Seeing the van he sprung awake and swerved the car straight off the side of the road, and it in turn barrel rolled towards the lake below. Before the car hit the lake with a tremendous splash, UW was able to glimpse the writing written on the side of the van. It read: "Vincenzo's Guttering".

UltraWar was quickly able to get out of his car and swim to the surface. However, he had broken both legs and was unable to move further. Fortunately for him, a passing stranger had seen it all happen. He swam into the lake and dragged UltraWar out.

"I don't know how to thank you," UltraWar began, before seeing the gun pointed in his face. A shot was fired, and UW's body tumbled straight back into the lake...

The people gathered in the centre of town to be addressed by their Chief of Police Divine Wind. Everybody was too anxious, however. This was the first time a single murder had ever taken place in their quiet town.

"Quiet!" DW tried to enforce his will over the murmurs of the crowd. They took no notice however.

"SHUT UP!!!" He yelled his lungs out this time, and a few heads turned but nobody really took any attention.

Losing his patience, DW pulled out his pistol and fired a single shot into the air.

"AAAH!!! SOMEBODY ELSE HAS BEEN MURDERED!!!" a villager screamed as he stood, clutching his head, before noticing DW holding the smoking pistol with a bored expression on his face.

"Take a seat."

"Sorry, sir."

"Anyway, as you are all aware, we have lost two good citizens of our community, Lemur and UltraWar. UltraWar's body was found with a bullet imbedded in his brain and we found traces of TNT in what appears to be a charred 'pony' in Lemur's former car. So, we can only conclude that this was murder."

"We know it was murder!"

"QUIET!" DW was getting annoyed with the distractions, but tried to maintain his composure anyway. "We also know that nobody entered or exited the city since the time of the murders, and so the murders must have been committed by one of you sitting here!" This generated a few murmurs, "QUIET!" the murmurs stopped, "Now, the one man police force has no leads and so, according to the city charter, we must have a vote on who to execute as punishment for these murders. Get to it."

How to vote:
Type Vote: and the name of the person you wish to vote for to be executed all in bold. Example: Vote: Silver Rusher. Instead of the person's name, you may also put Abstain or No Lynch. If you Vote: Abstain it basically means you don't vote but you also don't get a warning. If you Vote: No Lynch it means you vote for nobody to be executed at all.

The Chief of Police role:
-This role was randomly selected from all players in the game except the detective. Yes, it includes the mafia.
-This role cannot be killed at night. If the mafia try to kill the CoP at night, they will not kill anyone.
-However, the role can still be lynched as it is possible for the person to be a mafioso.
-DW must PM me now and every night (after lynchings) to tell me how he wants to execute each person.

Status List

Killed by Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar

Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Byzantine Mercenary
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Xiahou
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Cowhead418
Kommodus
Dutch_guy
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Major Robert Dump
Destroyer of Hope
theRTWGuru
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Abstain

This will most likely be changed depending on conversation.

[Csargo]

I think it is a little early to lynch anyone with no evidence unless someone else has something interesting.

Vote:Abstain

Also UW's murder was pretty aweful why wouldn't the mafia just let him drown. Seems weird.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Abstain

This will most likely be changed depending on conversation.

Vote:GeneralHankerchief

For starting what could be another cycle of "I abstain, because there isn't enough information to go on, because everyone else abstained, because there isn't enough information to go on, because..."

[Drisos]

Vote: Divine Wind

He's been consistently voting only a snowman and his vote in the past games. Why was he chosed CoP anyway? We have basically nothing to go on, so I'd like to see him lynched. (btw, I just thought of, will he PM Silver Rusher with the method he himself is lynched? )

There's nothing good (for now), and it's just too easy for him to continue his 'no-discussion' style of voting/posting, while being mafia. No one would notice.

[Csargo]

Vote:GeneralHankerchief

For starting what could be another cycle of "I abstain, because there isn't enough information to go on, because everyone else abstained, because there isn't enough information to go on, because..."

A random kill Sasaki will help no one. Just for Abstaining that's not smart on your part.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote:GeneralHankerchief

For starting what could be another cycle of "I abstain, because there isn't enough information to go on, because everyone else abstained, because there isn't enough information to go on, because..."

I thought you said that it was in the mafia's best interests to lynch someone in the first round.

[Csargo]

Vote: Divine Wind

. (btw, I just thought of, will he PM Silver Rusher with the method he himself is lynched? )

All I can say is.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I thought you said that it was in the mafia's best interests to lynch someone in the first round.

Last game it was. There were more power roles than mafia. This game there are more mafia than power roles.

Simple math, people!

[Don Corleone]

I'll grant you all that I'm the rookie, but all we know for certain is that neither Lemur nor UltraWar were in the mafia.

Sasaki, with all due respect, you're wrong. The odds of us lynching an innocent person are: (26-3)/(26). Twenty six total players and three guilty ones, right?

So if we have a vote, the odds of us nailing an innocent person, at this stage, are 88.5%. The odds of us actually catching the Godfather are 3.8% and the odds of us catching one of his mafioso are 7.7%.

Personally, I think we need to watch events unfold a little more. Let's see what Divine Wind has to say, and whether his detective happens to get anything.

Detective, remember, the Godfather himself comes back as innocent, so your odds are only 7.7% of getting a mafioso, not the combined 11.5%.

Vote: Abstain

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nononononono not this argument again. Don, there will never be a time when we will have a more than 50% chance of lynching mafia. If we never lynch anybody till we are down to 9 people, one wrong lynch means the mafia win, and in that scenario we only have a 1/3 chance of lynching a mafioso. We have to take our chances, it's the only way we'll ever win.

Remember, the mafia get to kill 2 innocents every time we abstain. Abstaining this round gives us nothing to go on next round. It's perfect for mafia.

Unvote:GeneralHankerchief

Vote:Don Corleone

[Don Corleone]

Your point about not gaining additional information is somewhat valid. You're making the point that we have to try to keep swinging blindly until we see the night murders drop to 1 (and hopefully, the mafia aren't purposely picking the same one, just to throw us off the trail). That part I understand, and I suppose you're right. If all 26 abstain, 2 people die, we just wash, rinse and repeat at 24, 22 etc. The logic is the same at 14 as it is at 26. I'm with you here.

BUT I don't get why once we're down to 9, a single incorrect lynching guarantees mafia victory. The Godfather cannot create new henchmen each night, correct? So if we take out one of his and one of ours, it's down to the GF and one mafiosa, and seven of us (only one dies). Next round, we lynch the wrong guy and another murder, 5 of us, the GF and the mafiosa. We could still catch both of them at that point. Sure, it makes our job harder, but it could be done...

In any case, you're right. We have to start somewhere. To be perfectly fair, I'm going to find a random number generator and pick a number between 1 and 26. Let's see what the randomizer deals up...(sidenote, many times this is how I pick my faction and even playing era in MTW). Number 11: sorry buddy. Sure glad #7 didn't come up.

Unvote: Abstain

Vote: Crazed Rabbit.

[Proletariat]

Can anyone name off the top of their head a few of the more vocal Lemur detractors from the old games? I know he seemed a bit unpopular there at times. Maybe Lemur getting killed so quickly in this game has to do with some personal history.

[Sir Moody]

Vote: Don Corleone

voting via random number generators is just so wrong

[Don Corleone]

voting via random number generators is just so wrong

Vote for me if you wish, but in this circumstance, with absolutely no information to go on, a random number generator is the correct course of action. It would be a mistake to attempt to 'see' patterns where there are none.

Btw, it's daytime right now, correct? roughly 12 hours from now is when the lynching occurs, correct?

[Csargo]

Vote for me if you wish, but in this circumstance, with absolutely no information to go on, a random number generator is the correct course of action. It would be a mistake to attempt to 'see' patterns where there are none.

Btw, it's daytime right now, correct? roughly 12 hours from now is when the lynching occurs, correct?

Its usually 24 hours since there are so many people from different time zones

[Sasaki Kojiro]

BUT I don't get why once we're down to 9, a single incorrect lynching guarantees mafia victory. The Godfather cannot create new henchmen each night, correct? So if we take out one of his and one of ours, it's down to the GF and one mafiosa, and seven of us (only one dies). Next round, we lynch the wrong guy and another murder, 5 of us, the GF and the mafiosa. We could still catch both of them at that point. Sure, it makes our job harder, but it could be done...

9 left, lynch one that's 8, 2 die at night that's six, town won't be able to lynch a mafioso since they don't have a majority, 2 die again at night, townie lynched, mafia win.

In any case, you're right. We have to start somewhere. To be perfectly fair, I'm going to find a random number generator and pick a number between 1 and 26. Let's see what the randomizer deals up...(sidenote, many times this is how I pick my faction and even playing era in MTW). Number 11: sorry buddy. Sure glad #7 didn't come up.

Unvote: Abstain

Vote: Crazed Rabbit.

2 things

1. Random number generator won't work because everyone will end up with 1 or 2 votes.

2. No discussion. Mafia can just random vote someone and then sit back and watch. It seems you've found yet another way for the mafia to avoid attention.

Don, the real point of round 1 is not to lynch a mafioso (highly doubtful), but to get the mafia to post so that later in the endgame we can find evidence in these pages.

[Dutch_guy]

Some interesting discussions going on here, do note how at least three fourth of all the people playing hasn't said anything yet - so claiming someone's a mafioso for the sole reason of using a randomizer is a bit overenthusiastic don't you think ?

As for now, I don't really know what to go on, as said, tons of people haven't said anything yet and chances are high one of those is a mafioso.

So for now, Vote:Abstain.

It's getting late here now, so I'm off to bed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Some interesting discussions going on here, do note how at least three fourth of all the people playing hasn't said anything yet - so claiming someone's a mafioso for the sole reason of using a randomizer is a bit overenthusiastic don't you think ?

Well, people respond to accusations...

[Crazed Rabbit]

*At Crazed Rabbit's Tree and Gleann Pub, CR hears the recent news and stops eating his steak*

What's this Don?

I'm getting voted to be lynched (to death, you know!) because of a random number system?!

Of all the farfetched reasons...

Now, I can understand that you're new and all, and I can forgive the 'lets not lynch anyone' and other errors.

But this? This I cannot forgive.

Vote: Don Corleone

You broke my heart, Don, you broke my heart.

CR