Hitler VS Stalin

[bedlam28]

Quite a disturbing question really; wonder what motivated that.

currently reading 'One day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich' about a prisoner of one of Stalin's Siberian Gulag's. But at least Stalin had no incinerators in his camps.
The damage of Hitlers Focused hatred is still a scar on all our history.

Personally I prefer Road Runner or Wily : who was most bad...
I think that Road Runner was just plain evil....
just my opinion

[Innocentius]

Hitler intended to kill people. Stalin just didn't care if a few million died while reforming the industries.

[Slartibardfast]

Hard to say but for my money Most Evil Barstard circa WW2 has to go to..........

It's a draw.

Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker who with their business associates at Brown, Root and Harriman, now a subsidiary of Haliburton, financed the NAZI party from its infancy. They eventually become Hitlers bankers and supplied a lot of oil, spare parts, etc; to the NAZI war machine. A Congressional Trial, post Pearl Harbour, exonerated them of the charges of "dealing with the enemy".

No political party or war gets off the ground without someone throwing copious amounts of money at them. Killing masses of people in the cause of a demented ideology is ordinary "being completely plain insane". Providing the financial platform to enable the killing masses of people in the cause of a demented ideology in order to simply make a huge monetary profit takes "the Most Evil Barstard cake" in my books.

[Orb]

I'll vote Stalin. Hitler managed to recover Germany at least.

[Craterus]

Hitler FTW!

[Mithrandir]

This topic really doesn't belong in a fuzzy place like the EH.

Anyway,

[pvt_isaac]

Hitler. Period.

[Papewaio]

This topic really doesn't belong in a fuzzy place like the EH.

Anyway,

I suggest you send it too the Backroom where some poor moderator can look after it there.

[Phoenix]

I voted Hitler as he started the war, was responsible for the Holocaust, and his Lebensraum policy called for the extermination of the Slavs. As rotten as he was, Stalin never tried to exterminate an entire ethnic group AFAIK.

[caravel]

I voted for caravel. He was easily the worst after executing thousands of prisoners, and installing Windows 98SE on his computer.

[Mithrandir]

I voted for caravel. He was easily the worst after executing thousands of prisoners, and installing Windows 98SE on his computer.

[naut]

I voted for caravel. He was easily the worst after executing thousands of prisoners, and installing Windows 98SE on his computer.

Brilliant.

[Avondland]

I voted Hitler as he started the war, was responsible for the Holocaust, and his Lebensraum policy called for the extermination of the Slavs. As rotten as he was, Stalin never tried to exterminate an entire ethnic group AFAIK.

Kulaks, Wolga-Germans, Ukranians, even Jews were frequently deported towards the Gulags. Altough one cannot speak of exterminating an entire ethnic group, Stalin's policy could be considered racist ... and yes, that is quite ironic for an ideology that claims to be 'communist'.

I voted for Stalin. He was responsible for the deaths of millions, the unfortunate occupation of several countries in Eastern Europe with also a high death toll. But both men have put their mark on history. One may not forget both dictators also did good things, because as future historian, I believe the world is not black and white but filled with unlimited variations of grey. It would be unwise to say: Hitler Evil, Stalin Evil. One should look at these men from their own time period.

[Hepcat]

I believe the world is not black and white but filled with unlimited variations of grey. It would be unwise to say: Hitler Evil, Stalin Evil.

That is what I believe too. Had Russia continued with Lenin's plan for agriculture then the Soviets would almost certainly have done infinitely worse during the German invasion. Hitler rebuilt Germany and also, although the war was horrible, it made Europe a much more stable place. This doesn't excuse what they did, but they were a nessicary historical force and without them the world wouldn't be what it is today. It may also not be such a good place too.

I have to put in post here,the madagascar plan is not ture! !

I am pretty sure it is true but was a plan. It proved impractical because the problem was that when France surrendered they couldn't reach Madagascar because the British controlled the Suez Canal and they couldn't go around the long way and go past South Africa, so it was abandoned until they enacted the final solution. There were also plans for the invasion of Ireland but just because it wasn't put into action doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I voted Hitler as he started the war, was responsible for the Holocaust, and his Lebensraum policy called for the extermination of the Slavs. As rotten as he was, Stalin never tried to exterminate an entire ethnic group AFAIK.

No, Stalin just didn't mind if everyone was exterminated except for the Communists.

[Taedius]

I'll vote Stalin. Hitler managed to recover Germany at least.

Yes, before he turned Europe into a pile of rubble.

[LegioScythia]

Hitler both of them were murderers but that was Hitlers plan all along to exterminate the jews,slavs,and other people who he considered inferior

[Warluster]

But hitler inly ruled for 12 years! Stalin went onfor ages, plus he slaughtered people when they revolted, like The Czech's, they got killed over a riot( nearly killed) plus stalin, like hitler, had secret police, they were both bad, but hitler the worst.

[Csargo]

Hitler both of them were murderers but that was Hitlers plan all along to exterminate the jews,slavs,and other people who he considered inferior

Not true. Hitler's plan wasn't all along to kill the Jews. He actually thought he could defeat the UK and then force them to let Germany use there Navy to ferry all of the Jews in Europe to Madagascar. If you don't believe me look it up in wikipedia. That was called the Madagascar Plan.

[CrossLOPER]

I'll vote Stalin. Hitler managed to recover Germany at least.

...and Comrade Stalin transformed a giant farming village into an industrial super power that rivaled nations for years to come....

We will recover...

[Vladimir]

...and Comrade Stalin transformed a giant farming village into an industrial super power that rivaled nations for years to come....

We will recover...

... history is always strange .. tri not to make decisions to quickly .. What one did in a period of 4 yeas the other did in 15 ... so the question is not relevant ... reed obout it ... and yes when it comes down to numbers Stalin is the winner here ... and he "loved" jews ... if you get what i mean ..
just because the allies chose the lesser worse of tho ? at least one was not playing innocent .. no offence ..

Yes; and Trotsky was a very dear friend of his.

[CrossLOPER]

???

[Vladimir]

Hitler intended to kill people. Stalin just didn't care if a few million died while reforming the industries.

Hello, the purges?

Anyway, I vote for Mao .

[Vuk]

Hitler intended to kill people. Stalin just didn't care if a few million died while reforming the industries.

What!! What about Ukraine?! He delibrately killed more people in Ukraine than Hitler in the ENTIRE WAR!! And that was just the beginning! Hitler went after the Jews, and Stalin went after the protestants!! They both had a religious/ethic group they disliked and killed everyone of them that they could! Stalin imho was worse simply because he killed more, and in just as gruesome a way. While Hitler, no doubt, would have killed as many or more as Stalin if he could, he didn't. Stalin took more human lives in worse ways and caused mass human suffering. By that measurement, I'd say Stalin (For the ugliest, shortest dictator of WWII, though, it would be Hitler ;)).

[Conqueror]

While Hitler, no doubt, would have killed as many or more as Stalin if he could, he didn't.

For many, that is a reason to consider Hitler the worse one. A man is no worse just because he has the better/more opportunities to do bad things.

Consider this: What if Stalin slips on a soap and dies before rising to power? Would you say that he (in that hypothetical scenario) isn't as bad a person just because he never gets the opportunity to kill millions?

[Vuk]

For many, that is a reason to consider Hitler the worse one. A man is no worse just because he has the better/more opportunities to do bad things.

Consider this: What if Stalin slips on a soap and dies before rising to power? Would you say that he (in that hypothetical scenario) isn't as bad a person just because he never gets the opportunity to kill millions?

You have to remember though, if Stalin had been able to, he would have killed more people also. No one can know their hearts (which is the true measure of good or evil), so the only way we can compare their evil is by the numbers of people they killed. Niether had quams about torture, rape, murder (obviously), etc. and we will never know who the "worst" was, we can however know who did the worst to humanity, and it was Stalin. People can guess as to who was worse, (I for one could not even begin) but we will never know for sure.

[Watchman]

You have to remember though, if Stalin had been able to, he would have killed more people also.

...based on what ? Having people killed was of purely instrumental value to him; it was how he secured his continued power. The second he realized his purges were about to start seriously undermining that power, he put the stops on the worst of them.

Hitler put the Final Solution to work smack in the middle of a total war against an industrially superior enemy, and basically shot his own military-industrial complex in the leg in the process. All because he was obsessed with not having filthy Jews and Gypsies and whatever anywhere near his oh-so-pure Aryans.

That's the difference between the two tyrants. Stalin had a measure of rationality in his policies - albeit of a decidedly callous and brutal sort, and not rarely quite contrafinal - while Hitler was guided purely by his crackpot (and murderous) ideology and delusions.

[Vuk]

...based on what ? Having people killed was of purely instrumental value to him; it was how he secured his continued power. The second he realized his purges were about to start seriously undermining that power, he put the stops on the worst of them.

Hitler put the Final Solution to work smack in the middle of a total war against an industrially superior enemy, and basically shot his own military-industrial complex in the leg in the process. All because he was obsessed with not having filthy Jews and Gypsies and whatever anywhere near his oh-so-pure Aryans.

That's the difference between the two tyrants. Stalin had a measure of rationality in his policies - albeit of a decidedly callous and brutal sort, and not rarely quite contrafinal - while Hitler was guided purely by his crackpot (and murderous) ideology and delusions.

Having people killed was of purely instrumental value to him; it was how he secured his continued power.

Not so. He launched a war against Protestants and killed them wherever he could.

The second he realized his purges were about to start seriously undermining that power, he put the stops on the worst of them.

That is why he was unable to kill more. Because if he did, he would lose power, get attacked by western powers, and be destroyed like Hitler. You seriously think that if he had the power that there would be a Protestant alive in the world? He was a maniac with a vendetta, just like Hitler; he was simply more sucessfull than Hitler was.