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    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1104090409.htm

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    Space Sunshade Might Be Feasible In Global Warming Emergency

    The possibility that global warming will trigger abrupt climate change is something people might not want to think about.
    But University of Arizona astronomer Roger Angel thinks about it.

    Angel, a University of Arizona Regents' Professor and one of the world's foremost minds in modern optics, directs the Steward Observatory Mirror Laboratory and the Center for Astronomical Adaptive Optics. He has won top honors for his many extraordinary conceptual ideas that have become practical engineering solutions for astronomy.

    For the past year, Angel has been looking at ways to cool the Earth in an emergency. He's been studying the practicality of deploying a space sunshade in a global warming crisis, a crisis where it becomes clear that Earth is unmistakably headed for disastrous climate change within a decade or two.

    Angel presented the idea at the National Academy of Sciences in April and won a NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts grant for further research in July. His collaborators on the grant are David Miller of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Nick Woolf of UA's Steward Observatory, and NASA Ames Research Center Director S. Pete Worden.

    Angel is now publishing a first detailed, scholarly paper, "Feasibility of cooling the Earth with a cloud of small spacecraft near L1," in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The plan would be to launch a constellation of trillions of small free-flying spacecraft a million miles above Earth into an orbit aligned with the sun, called the L-1 orbit.

    The spacecraft would form a long, cylindrical cloud with a diameter about half that of Earth, and about 10 times longer. About 10 percent of the sunlight passing through the 60,000-mile length of the cloud, pointing lengthwise between the Earth and the sun, would be diverted away from our planet. The effect would be to uniformly reduce sunlight by about 2 percent over the entire planet, enough to balance the heating of a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere.

    Researchers have proposed various alternatives for cooling the planet, including aerosol scatterers in the Earth's atmosphere. The idea for a space shade at L1 to deflect sunlight from Earth was first proposed by James Early of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in 1989.

    "The earlier ideas were for bigger, heavier structures that would have needed manufacture and launch from the moon, which is pretty futuristic," Angel said. "I wanted to make the sunshade from small 'flyers,' small, light and extremely thin spacecraft that could be completely assembled and launched from Earth, in stacks of a million at a time. When they reached L1, they would be dealt off the stack into a cloud. There's nothing to assemble in space."

    The lightweight flyers designed by Angel would be made of a transparent film pierced with small holes. Each flyer would be two feet in diameter, 1/5000 of an inch thick and weigh about a gram, the same as a large butterfly. It would use "MEMS" technology mirrors as tiny sails that tilt to hold the flyers position in the orbiting constellation. The flyer's transparency and steering mechanism prevent it from being blown away by radiation pressure. Radiation pressure is the pressure from the sun's light itself.

    The total mass of all the fliers making up the space sunshade structure would be 20 million tons. At $10,000 a pound, conventional chemical rocket launch is prohibitively expensive. Angel proposes using a cheaper way developed by Sandia National Laboratories for electromagnetic space launchers, which could bring cost down to as little as $20 a pound.

    The sunshade could be deployed by a total 20 electromagnetic launchers launching a stack of flyers every 5 minutes for 10 years. The electromagnetic launchers would ideally run on hydroelectric power, but even in the worst-case environmental scenario with coal-generated electricity, each ton of carbon used to make electricity would mitigate the effect of 1000 tons of atmospheric carbon.

    Once propelled beyond Earth's atmosphere and gravity with an electromagnetic launcher, the flyer stacks would be steered to L-1 orbit by solar-powered ion propulsion, a new method proven in space by the European Space Agency's SMART-1 moon orbiter and NASA's Deep Space 1 probe.

    "The concept builds on existing technologies," Angel said. "It seems feasible that it could be developed and deployed in about 25 years at a cost of a few trillion dollars. With care, the solar shade should last about 50 years. So the average cost is about $100 billion a year, or about two-tenths of one percent of the global domestic product."

    He added, "The sunshade is no substitute developing renewable energy, the only permanent solution. A similar massive level of technological innovation and financial investment could ensure that.

    "But if the planet gets into an abrupt climate crisis that can only be fixed by cooling, it would be good to be ready with some shading solutions that have been worked out."


    I guess it could make a handy backup but I think it's better for us to spend 99% of our energy making sure a global warming crisis doesn't occur in the first place. Treat the route causes of it rather than continue to live as we do in the hope that some wacky innovation like this will save our planet.

    Unfortunately it won't be until the blatant effects of global warming begin to really effect people that they will start demanding changes from their politicians. At that point perhaps this kind of thing will be the only solution available?
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    I am immensely skeptical of all the "the earth is in crisis, we will all die in 10/15/20 years!" claims. A bit of an exxageration, but not by much.

    Enviro-whackos are just trying to use fear to sway people because they don't have conclusize science to prove global warming it mainly man-caused or that we can do anything about it, much less that it will cause devastation.

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    I don't buy the Global Warming Theory Completely. Yes, we know the earth is steadily getting warmer... and the Oceans are Rising... but, and this is a big one, is it because of us or completely natural? Or quickening a natural tendency?

    The Earth hasn't always been cold, and during the last Major Ice Age, the sea level dropped almost 350 feet. It's regained about 200 Feet in the last 20,000 years, but we've still got another 150 feet of sea level to go before we're back to Normalcy.

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    I'm affraid it's time to wake up smell the coffee folks. Global warming is here, and humans are responsible for rapidly accelerating it.


    Here's a rather good summary of the current situation.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...limate_change/
    http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...limate-change/

    Burying our heads in the sand over this issue simply isn't going to help anyone. At least Roger Angel has come up with something to help us out. I'd just rather we treated the disease rather than the symptoms.
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    It's probably worth noting that any maths behind this is so incredibly complex, and any margins of error so big, that any estimates are a little dubious. There is an issue here though. Even if it's natural (which it clearly isn't entirely at the very least), it still needs to be dealt with. Expensive problem if all the world's coastal cities flood.

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    Not to mention that we have little idea about how the equilibrium of our atmosphere actually works. These changes appear to have happened long ago, many times both globally and locally.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H...Variations.png Even farther in the past, 10^6 + years, there have been many cycles of global cooling and warming. Personally, in my research I've not found anything that necessarily attributes these present changes to our actions, and I am hesitant to just believe some graph w/o seeing why they've made it the way they do; it seems that there are still many other possibilities.


    Anyway to deny that there appears to be a trend towards global warming now would be stupid, whether or not it will continue and for how long is debatable. Blinding ourselves to finding the reason behind it by blaming ourselves w/o sufficient evidence is stupid. If we're going to find the cause and fix the problem, it will almost certainly take more than biasing science towards blaming us, and there are certainly more reliable ways than hoping it is us and somehow stopping people from burning things.
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    Default Re: A solution to global warming at last - a Mr Burns style sun shade in space!

    Quote Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock
    I'm affraid it's time to wake up smell the coffee folks. Global warming is here, and humans are responsible for rapidly accelerating it.


    Here's a rather good summary of the current situation.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...limate_change/
    http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...limate-change/

    Burying our heads in the sand over this issue simply isn't going to help anyone. At least Roger Angel has come up with something to help us out. I'd just rather we treated the disease rather than the symptoms.
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    Global warming is here, and humans are responsible for rapidly accelerating it.
    Proof? Thought not.

    You are aware that there was a mini ice age in medieval times, right? That global temperature is not a constant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Oh no, not the hockey stick again!
    I thought the hockey stick graph issues was for projected future data not historical data...
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    I like the ideas, both the electromagnetic launcher and the fliers. Creative people are great.


    Fliers… humm… perhaps if we give them independent thought so they can self correct their angles and such, Ooo and the ability to replicate incase the we need to make a larger shade, Oooo and then equip them with blasters to fend off any invaders, Oooo and a driving compulsion to save humanity. That should be enough to do us all in.
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    In related news, apparently our grasp of ocean mechanics wasn't that great, and the Gulf Stream won't collapse or anything.

    Which means global warming will just result in Britain becoming warmer and more pleasant. Pile on the coal I say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro


    --> i can't wait until 2020 now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scurvy
    i can't wait until 2020 now
    By then the progression will start going the other way and there will end up being snow suits at the right!
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    Scurvy...2020 is already on there

    It's the farthest to the right, past that blue/green one.

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    Excellent... all that's left is for me to steal candy from a baby.
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