Re: The dissolution of the Union
Would this be a "domino effect" thingee? First Scotland, then Wales, then N.I.? Or would Scotland claim stewardship over N.I. ?
How do the Royals figure into this equation? Isn't it a "unified" crown? Or was that just a parliament-passed law?
To follow Sasaki Kojiro's idea: which of the four (Eng, Scot, Wales, NI) has more oil?
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England has the most MPs, who represent more grease than the North Sea could ever produce. That said, I've heard reports that the politicians north of the border are even more useless than those in Westminster.Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Re: The dissolution of the Union
Heh, there is no way Wales would ever become independant of England. We have no economy to speak of.
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Historically, that little practicality thing has rarely stood in the way of a good separatist movement -- only gets in the way once you realize you now have a country to run.
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Without government money Northern Ireland would have 50% unemployment. A lot of people work for the council, the DOE, the civil service or another government backed inst.
I wonder what the loyalist will make of this:
England: "we don't want you anymore, piss off you paddy ********!"A majority of voters in both England and Scotland back the break-up of the United Kingdom, a poll has suggested.
The loyalists: "We can't hear you, *covers ears* lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala", "God save our gracious Queen ....."
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If Scotland seccedes from the Union all it will do is prove is that the majority of voters are morons. Scotland has gained more from the Union than any other nation. It was the driving force behind English expansion in the 18th and 19th centuries, just look at the number of Scots in parliament and on the boards of the East and West India Companies. It has not much of an economy and it shows when the biggest employer is the civil service. That's what happens when school history courses are changed.
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So you guys would be getting rid of St. Andrews cross in the Union Jack then, correct?
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Oh, let's deal with the important issues, yes.
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Re: The dissolution of the Union
It would be very nice to be free of all those unintelligeable Labour politicians. However, I think we have far too much shared history that I think it would be a shame for a complete dissolution of the United Kingdom. I think the best solution would be like that modelled on Austria-Hungary: common defence, foreign and customs policy, but with otherwise complete internal independence for Scotland and England (Wales can remain England's bitch) and a personal union between the two countries represented by the monarch.
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Re: The dissolution of the Union
Assuming there remained a King/Queen of Great Britain, the Union Jack would remain. Failing that, the Union Jack would cease to be.
I am split over the matter. The only way Scotland could do well after the Union is if it adopted a small government with a free market, Adam Smith style. Unfortunately, the majority of parties would rather see a furthering of the People's Glorious and Free Republic of Scotland. For which we certainly have not got the money, let alone could we afford this £100 billion well of money proposed by the SNP from oil revenues.
And Heaven Forfend Scotland ends up a republic. No doubt the Party would like that ("Oah yes, all the Queen's dosh into Scottish coffers"). Of course, the only thing that would come to Scotland thereafter would be the Palace of Holyroodhouse while the Balmoral Estate would remain the private property of Her Majesty the Queen (of England and Her Other Realms and Territories).
As for the matter of the shared history of Scotland and England, that is the whole reason behind this apparent rise in nationalism. It is history. The Empire died in the past 60 years. It was once a shared child of this Island, providing a common struggle for it. Now it is no longer. People have no reason to stay. And since democracy is all the rage now, what People want People get...
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Re: The dissolution of the Union
Interesting that none of you have speculated on the issue of who would get to keep the North Sea oil? It seems to be a little arrogant to just assume that England would get to keep the rigs and production facilities, hmmm? I think that this single issue alone is enough to keep Scotland and England united. Neither one can afford to do without the oil.
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Re: The dissolution of the Union
It was unified, but ceased to be before the Acts of Union. I doubt that a newly 'indepedent' Scotland would bother with a monarchy after separation.
Anyway, Scotland, go for it. Better late than never.
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