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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/atl...ing/index.html

    ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Federal authorities will investigate last week's police involved shooting death of an elderly woman in Atlanta, the city's police chief announced Monday.

    Richard Pennington also said the eight-member narcotics team tied to the incident will be placed on paid leave.

    The move came after an informant -- named in a search warrant of the woman's home -- denied buying drugs at the residence, Pennington said.

    But police spokesmen had initially said narcotics officers carried out a drug buy Tuesday from a man identified only as "Sam" at Kathryn Johnston's home west of downtown Atlanta.

    Pennington said investigators found a small amount of marijuana there after the raid.

    "The officers are saying one thing. The confidential informant is saying something else," the chief said.

    The decision to turn the case over to the FBI, federal prosecutors, the Fulton County district attorney's office and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, came in the middle of "intense speculation and suspicion" surrounding the shooting, said Pennington.

    He promised to make "every document, every witness and piece of evidence" available.

    Police said Johnston opened fire on police who tried to enter her home last Tuesday. Three officers were wounded, and Johnston was killed when police returned fire.

    Neighbors and relatives said the raid had to have been a mistake. Johnston lived alone and was so afraid of crime in the neighborhood that she wouldn't let neighbors who delivered groceries for her come into her home, they said.

    Relatives gave her age as 92, but Fulton County medical examiners put her age at 88.
    Reviewing "no-knock" policy

    The chief said his department was reviewing its use of "no-knock" raids after the shootout. The warrants are common in narcotics cases when officers fear suspects may try to dispose of drugs or evidence in the time it takes authorities to gain access to the home.

    "There are many unanswered questions. I promise each and every citizen that the complete truth will be eventually known, whatever that might be," he said. "But we must all exercise patience while we examine and re-examine every single aspect of these tragic events."

    A spokesman for Johnston's family, the Rev. Markel Hutchins, went to Washington to request a federal investigation Monday.

    Hutchins said he had received assurance agencies involved would conduct a "swift and thorough" investigation into Johnston's death.

    Hutchins said the three mid-level officials with whom he met also promised "all resources at our disposal" to help counter the fallout in the African American community from the fatal shooting.

    And a Justice Department official in Washington confirmed the Civil Rights Division's interest in the case.

    "We have begun a review of the matter, and are collecting information," spokesperson Cynthia Magnuson said. "The FBI has already begun its investigation and we are coordinating with other agencies."

    Hutchins said he urged Justice Department officials to pressure local police departments to stop using "no knock" search warrants.
    Idiots. Let's see a bunch of people bust into an old lady's house. I don't blame her for reaching for a gun.



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    The chief said his department was reviewing its use of "no-knock" raids after the shootout. The warrants are common in narcotics cases when officers fear suspects may try to dispose of drugs or evidence in the time it takes authorities to gain access to the home.
    No-knock raids are an abomination; innocent people have been slaughtered or thrown in prison for defending their homes from masked home invaders. I have no sympathy for the wounded cops and hope all participants in this raid are fired.

    So what if the drug dealer flushes the drugs in the minute or two it takes knocking officers to get in? I guess the police can't handle the price of a free society. The useless SCOTUS hasn't done anything, either.

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    The police these days!

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    While I agree with you in principal, CR, I don't think I have the same vitriol on you in this one. Yes, so-called "no-knock" raids are dangerous business indeed. Essentially, the police are claiming that you have no right to defend yourself from anyone, because even people who have not identified themselves as police have the right to be treated as officers.

    But the officers themselves are only following the official policy of the police department for the city of Atlanta. Save your anger for where it rightly belongs, a police commissioner that has annointed himself above and beyond the 4th ammendment, and a local judicial system that supports him in his thwarting of constitutional protections.
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    an 88 year old woman takes down three officers in a raid before being gunned down herself. Thats hardcore.

    Imagine what was going through that old womans mind at the time. She was incredibly brave, but i'm sure fear had a lot to do with it as well.
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    Are the police not even obliged to shout 'It's the police!' once they've actually broken down your door? I can understand them not rolling up with sirens blaring and declaring their intent with a megaphone, but they must have to identify themselves once they're in your house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezrider
    an 88 year old woman takes down three officers in a raid before being gunned down herself. Thats hardcore.
    In the A T L, hardcore is a way of life! I read a little of this article yesterday, but I missed the fact that she hit 3 of them. Not bad shooting for an old girl, but it looks like the APD needs more practice on it's entry methods...

    Stories like this make me glad I don't live in Atlanta any more. There has always been plenty of corruption in the city politics, but ever since the Olympics, it's been going downhill.


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    [QUOTE=Don Corleone]
    But the officers themselves are only following the official policy of the police department for the city of Atlanta./QUOTE]

    Sigh, I know it isn't even considered a valid argument anymore but, the nazi's just followed orders too. If the orders are immoral; you don't obey, you quit the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc_bean
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    But the officers themselves are only following the official policy of the police department for the city of Atlanta.
    Sigh, I know it isn't even considered a valid argument anymore but, the nazi's just followed orders too. If the orders are immoral; you don't obey, you quit the job.

    There are no apologies.
    Always with the Nazi arguments when the American government comes up...

    Crazed Rabbit said the cops got what they deserved and that he had no sympathy that they got wounded. I said the answer is not to shoot cops, but to force a corrupt police administration to actually respect the laws on the books, and somehow that makes me a Nazi apologist. Nice.

    And just for the record, that whole "always question authority" mentality works really well at Universities, pubs and other ivory towers where all the worlds' problems get 'solved' but nobody ever actually does anything. But in the real world, if every cop questioned every order, you'd have a lot of dead cops. So, if you're an anarachist, I'll give you credit for intellectual consistency. Otherwise, I think you ought to put more time into considering the consequences of attitudes you're advocating.
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    It sounds like less than lethal weapons need to be employed in these kinds of raids.


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