Mongal Invasion Extreme Version (with prizes!)

[pevergreen]

It's a few turns after gunpowder has been invented (1214) and quite a while since the Mongols invaded, so i thought id toggle_fow to check out how they were going, as well as the Papal States (i call it the Extreme Killzor Bug)

I moved to the star on the minimap and saw this:





How is anyone going to face that? I think Mongolia will win this campaign.

For anyone who is interested I am playing HRE...I have 4 territories, at war with Milan and Venice. But i own Rome....yes i gave Papal States land to like me, and as in RTW it trigged the Extreme Killzor Bug...The Papal States go on crusades, attack anyone they want...its just not fair with them AND the Mongols doing anything they want...

Prize for the first person to notice an error in the minimap. How it happened i dont know.

Oh and for anyone who is wondering, Byzantine is still there, Spain has been destroyed and maybe Poland, dont know about Poland though.

[Daveybaby]

Black splodge near... kiev? Not HRE cos no yellow border. Weird.

[pevergreen]

Black splodge near... kiev? Not HRE cos no yellow border. Weird.

So close, but what is that? That's possibly the biggest clue...

[JFC]

Tumerid Infestation. But a little too early perhaps?

[zulukiller]

Best advice i can give you is take over the rest of italy and sicily then take over all the islands in the med. Then nick ireland (small rebel settelment easyily taken ) and then take out the scots & english. Once youve done that youll only need armies in the north of itally to deffend your cities everywere else should be safe (AI dosnt attack by sea). Which should give you a really nice economy to save up and goto the americas (go for the rebel settelments first then the aztecs). Once you get the americas youll have tones of money pumping into your economy which should help you dig yourself out of the big whole your in.

p.s. While your trying all of the above as you have good relations with the pope keep asking the pope for crusades against mongal states the whole of chrisingdom should be able to keep them buisey while you carry out this little plan.

Note:- To ask for a cruesade goto the pope tab were it shows your standing with the pope and near the picture of the pope theres a little round button with a cross on it click that then the settelment that you want to cruesade against (just incase you didnt know).

p.p.s. lol dont worry about the mongals anyway in every single game ive had the Timurids always turn up and wipe out the mongals and everyone else. That screenshot youve got there ive seen something similar but for the Timurids they had taken over everywere except i had the Britian and a bit of france and i was surrounded by 30 to 40 full stacks of Timurids. lol Mongal cavalry & horse archers hasnt got a thing on elephants with cannons on there back.

[FactionHeir]

Timurids?

[pevergreen]

The Mongol like people that wipe out the mongols.

Im going to beat Milan and Venice (who just attacked my Citadel at Bolognoa)and smack them up, with the help of the Papal States. We all did a crusade against Milan, taking Milan. Had at least 6 full stack crusdaer armies outside Milan, but only me sieging, no one else could because most of them are only Neutural with me.

Only Crusades i'll be joining are Milan and Venice ones...considering every Chrisitian State is at war with Milan and Venice...should be fun.

[KARTLOS]

are alot of them single units? just judging by the flags

[Daveybaby]

are alot of them single units? just judging by the flags

True, but an awful lot of them are full or nearly full stacks too. I would guesstimate about 20 full stacks worth there.

[Vlad Tzepes]

As lots of them are single or few units stacks, I'd say you were in fact pretty lucky

Recipe for wiping out this Horde:

1. Quickly identify a good general with "night fighter" ability
2. Add troops (archers, light cav)
3. Add spy for reconnaissance
4. Send to conflict area via fastest route
5. Engage one by one, destroy
6. Blurp accordingly, satisfied, when done

Voila!

Risks: Neighboring Mongol stacks lead by their own night fighter general.
Result: You're (over)cooked.

[Whacker]

@ Peevster

Words utterly fail me. THAT is what I'd expect to see in terms of a real mongol invasion. Orda'd be proud if he saw that screenie.

@ Davester

Look closely. There's ... by my count at least 2 FULL rebel stacks in there mixed in with them. I'm most definitely not a big fan of the idea of captain-lead stacks revolting, BUT in this case it looks highly interesting.

[Darth Nihilus]

That is absolutly insane! I had to just sit and stare at that for a second. I have seen the Mongols invade a few times. Even had to fight and kill off about 8 full stacks, but they weren't all at the same time, let alone 20 plus worth of full stacks. I haven't played a campaign far enough to see the Timurids appear, and they're even worse?? ( I assume its because of elephants and not superior numbers).

** Pevergreen, please keep us all updated with screenies on how your campaign turns out, or at least me**

[Midnight]

Good grief! I take it it's not common to see that many of them?

[Quillan]

I can only see three that are likely to be full stacks out of all that mess. They are scattered to all creation there. A mongol banner that is half filled with color likely only has 8-10 units in it if they are full strength, perhaps a little more if they are all cavalry because unit numbers are smaller there. The vast majority of those barely have any color at all on the banner; that means they are 1-2 unit stacks if the units are full strength. There's another good thing going there. The mongols have settled. That means they tend to scatter, it also means that the new troops they build have 0 experience. The money they start with plus the money they got from sacking cities before settling is now being spent. When they run out of money they'll slow down.

[FactionHeir]

I wonder, could you take out the mongols and timurids by sending in a few assassins (max level) and just in 1-2 turns take out all generals? That would make them rebels, true, but they'd be stationary in 1 area.
Also, rebels are very easy to rout compared to units that are owned by an actual faction and they do not regroup when beaten (i.e. you won't have to chase em down)

[Lycan]

eh hem.. Citizens of Ryazan, It is my professional opinon that now is the time TO PANIC!!! AAAAAAAAH!

[supadodo]

Hmm i noticed most of them arent full stacks. Probably just one unit stacks that the AI screws up trying to merge them. The other full stacks are probably the initial invasion forces 3 waves combined. Well at least you have Hungary as a mega buffer but I think you better start expanding if you wanna have a chance unless that is if you want any.

[Zoltan]

Even though they're not full stacks, I count enough half-full stacks to make up about 15 full ones, perhaps more. They would be a major pain if they were knocking on your door, but smile, they're not! They have settled town, and will probably scatter and weaken before they're any source for trouble. You should consolidate your position and economy and deal with your immediate enemies first, and after that deal with them.

Would be funny to see them duke it out with the pope while you sit on the side keeping the score.

[Mailman653]

That screenshot is insane, no wonder in my last campaign the Mongols eliminated all the Muslim factions and if it wereint for Portual, they would of owned all of North Africa in addition to the Holy Lands (except for Antioch).

[pevergreen]

getting screenies now

[pevergreen]

perhaps the most compelling pic.
Putting together an album now (stupid hosting sites)

[Beefeater]

I'm not sure I can zoom that far out - did you need to change anything to get that panoramic view?

[Daveybaby]

Try standing further away from your monitor.

[Whacker]

Try standing further away from your monitor.

[Faenaris]

By the Beard, just look at the SIZE of that Horde! That is gonna take hours to clean up. And they can STILL throw more troops at you. I feel for the Russians, they are gonna have one hell of a fight for survival.

[Piko]

I don't see your problem, I beat the Mongol invasions as the Byzantines, 18 full stacks is what I faced, wave after wave.... THAT was challenging, although your horde looks bigger it is in fact, smaller... I was lucky though, it seems that at first they come in waves of 3 or 4 stacks.

[pevergreen]

I don't see your problem, I beat the Mongol invasions as the Byzantines, 18 full stacks is what I faced, wave after wave.... THAT was challenging, although your horde looks bigger it is in fact, smaller... I was lucky though, it seems that at first they come in waves of 3 or 4 stacks.

Oh, i dont plan to face them soon, they have to go through Hungary, Russia, Timurids, Papal States, Venice and Milan to get to me.

Thats not the entire army by the way, 7 full stacks to the left a bit.

That cluster top right? looks like 11 units...35.

[JoeyFantana]

Nice . . . I'm playing the long campaign modded for real years (two turns per year) and so have not come that far yet - but then I play Spain, so I'm pretty far from there - guess I have to do a crusade or two to get some territory over there and follow the mongol ohrde. cause that shit looks interesting! Jerusalem is the closest I got over there . . .