Mongols are tough!!

[Lycan]

6 exp??!! ..yeah dosent look too good for my russians then. I just got the Mongol arrival message in my vh\vh rus campaign. Never fought the Mongols before but i remember something from MTW1 about "The Horde of the Tartar is numberless. Each one has the head of a dog and carrys about him enough weapons to arm several christian warriors. God help us should they look to the east" or something like that.
lol I'm currently at war with the Danes, HRE, Byz and the Hungarians with no money to buy a ceasefire. Thats the Russian economy for ya. Just gotta hope that my Grand Duke Miroslav The Merciless with his 10 star command and 9 dread can put a hole in them. He's been rampaging about east-europe since he was 16 with basicly the same full stack of Khazaks(all with 3-5 exp now) that can massacre a high tech full stack of western inf with almost no losses. Danish mothers probably scare their children to got to bed at night by telling them Miroslav is coming. But I guess theres always a bigger fish...

[FactionHeir]

At least in MTW you could bribe them into your faction and actually keep all the mongol troops in that stack. As a byzantines then, I had bribed 2 mongol generals with troops over a few turns and had them duke it out with each other before sending in the experienced byzantine army (i didn't know how to retrain back then, so I had loads of half units but very experienced)

[Orda Khan]

Without all those upgrades the Mongols would pose as much threat as they did in MTW. IMO relying on upgraded units and huge armies is pretty naff. It would have been better to give them the stats they deserve

.......Orda

[Shahed]

Jagger just read your first post. That was a great battle.

You gave a lot of helpful tips and the account itself is helpful.

You fell for every trick in the book, did'nt you ? Go for the isolated bait, then overcommit your only mobility i.e your cavalry. then while your mobility is tied down, general attack. Man that would be heaven for any cavalry commander. Lucky you got out of that one, must have been wild. I would have loved to watch a battle replay of that one.

I've lost a few generals like that though, head on charge into spears (haha!), is not always as good as it's generally supposed to be.

[supadodo]

Bridge battles are your best friend should you fight them beyond walls. Put lots of spearmen at the end and watch a horsey massacre. I also recommend using units with the effective vs armor trait like sword staffs and Halberds, they are great at taking out the hvy lancers. I also noticed alot of times that if you take out their general, they get a huge drop in morale. Example: General runs across bridge to waiting spearmen and became the first to die. All other units including Heavy lancers bottled it soon after engaging.

[ChewieTobbacca]

First time playing as the Turks, the Mongols first arrived south of Baghdad. Fortunately, I had planned it out and had my armies ready at the bridges and crossings. I'd have a deep formation of spears (usually dismoutned sipahi lancers) supported by JHI's and tons of Ottoman infantry. These were the only open battles where I won consistently (one of my stacks once defeated 2 stacks, but had they sent a third stack, I would have been utterly crushed).

The only open field battle I had against the Mongols, I was completely destroyed despite having superior numbers and troops. The high dread + command rating of the Mongol commanders means that your units will rout quicker and the Mongols will fight harder.

As in real life, the Mongol advantages of firepower and mobility have to be negated to beat them - if you can fight them in a forest area, you'll have a considerable advantage with an infantry army. Otherwise, pin them either to a siege or a bridge or pray.

I defeated the first wave of Mongols then turned west without realizing that more stacks spawn... this time, I wasn't as well prepared and had to scrap up an army out of nothing. Fortunately for me, I was able to grab the river crossings before they got there. With the enemy down to half a stack left, they went into Jedda when a major earthquaek struck, killing the Khan and disbanding the Mongol hordes.... for now.

[ChewieTobbacca]

BTW I LOVE The fact that the Mongols are so tough in this game... the ones in MTW were a pushover (talk about funny having 15 full stacks ready in Khazar to push em out as soon as they spawn), these are much much tougher