Split Papal Votes?

**TinCow** · 12-13-2006, 05:09

I recently had this result from papal elections. Notice that Venice gave one vote to England and two votes to me (Portugal). Is this a bug or a feature? Have I totally missed some option to split you votes between multiple Cardinals? Even if you can, why would you want to do this?

I'm not sure if it matters, but Venice was excommunicated at the time.

**sapi** · 12-13-2006, 05:19

You get one vote per cardinal; maybe the AI ones act independently and not by faction when their faction is not a candidate?

**Comrade Alexeo** · 12-13-2006, 05:21

Was Venice allied with both factions? The manual says that factions without their own candidate will vote for their allies'; maybe the AI ended up splitting the votes because of that, either based on random chance or because they were friendlier with Portugal than England.

Still funky though

**TinCow** · 12-13-2006, 13:02

I have no idea if Venice was allied to England, but I know they were not allied to me (Portugal).

This is actually the second strange 'Papal' thing that has happened in this game. The first was that the Papal States took Florence while it was still rebel. I have never seen them expand before without being prompted.

**FactionHeir** · 12-13-2006, 14:09

Same happend to me in my Moor campaign. The pope for some reason took Florence when I was told by my council to take it (but I didn't want to walk thru allied land)

Also had happen that the papal state sent out an army against a general I had parked near naples and attacked outside his state (he didn't have any other province at that time). Chances are he maybe wanted to attack some rebel stack near its border and as it left rome, it figured it might as well take florence?

Anyway. The OPs problem is strange. Never seen that before. But then I hardly ever seen more than 1 cardinal of another faction. Most are mine usually :)

**dismal** · 12-13-2006, 16:21

I have seen split votes like this more than a few times. You can't do it, but the AI seems to allow it's cardinals to vote whatever they feel individually.

I expected there to be a lot of dealing and intrigue, but in my experience it has turned out to be pretty dull.

It would be nice to sell my vote, anyway.

**Kraxis** · 12-13-2006, 16:31

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Same happend to me in my Moor campaign. The pope for some reason took Florence when I was told by my council to take it (but I didn't want to walk thru allied land)

Also had happen that the papal state sent out an army against a general I had parked near naples and attacked outside his state (he didn't have any other province at that time). Chances are he maybe wanted to attack some rebel stack near its border and as it left rome, it figured it might as well take florence?

Anyway. The OPs problem is strange. Never seen that before. But then I hardly ever seen more than 1 cardinal of another faction. Most are mine usually :)

I think the Pope attacked the rebels, they retreated and ended up outside Florence, there he attacked again and then the rebels were supported by the garrison. When the Pope won the city fell as well.

**FactionHeir** · 12-13-2006, 16:43

That would imply though that he was besieging Florence to begin with, as otherwise a support garrison would fall but the Papal army wouldn't automatically take the city which is left undefended unless it was in siege mode.

**Kraxis** · 12-13-2006, 20:54

I doubt the AI would just pass up the ooportunity to take a free city of rebels. Hence I jumped right to the capture.

**LorDBulA** · 12-13-2006, 21:00

Yea this is funny.
When my cardinal was running for Pope i tried secure Votes of Poland and France (both my allies) using cash. But there where totaly not responsive to my proposals.
So imagine my surprise when i got all Poland votes (many cardinals there) and half of France votes and my Cardinal was elected new Pope (it was my first Cardinal in council by the way).
Thats totaly stupid. If you are going to vote for me anywhay why not take the money?

**gardibolt** · 12-15-2006, 18:26

I had the same issue in a papal election; I tried to get my ally Milan to vote for me (I didn't realize that if they were allied with you and didn't have their own candidate they would vote for you) by promising a big chunk of cash, and they refused, breaking our alliance. But they voted for me anyway.