Out of Character thread

[Lucjan]

Great to hear Braden! We were hoping you'd be able to find a way.

As far as patch 1.1 Download it to anywhere, extract it to the file it's downloaded in, then click on the icon that looks like a box of books to further unpack a bunch of files, then, finally, click the setup icon to install the patch to the medieval 2 directory automatically.

[GeneralHankerchief]

This PBM should really have a subtitle.

King of the Romans - or "The Blind Leading the Blind"

It will definitely be... erm... interesting.

[Braden]

What I'm looking for now are the files to remove those darned green arrows and over large banners!!

they're not where they used to be and where I think they should be I can only find the arrows mentioned and its not a TRUE/FALSE choice is 0/1

Been playing an HRE campaign, upto approx turn 12 (V. hard campaign/Hard battles) and its slow going. Venice has decided to attack me but so far I've repulsed them from my towns and castles...where's the blasted Pope when you actually NEED him?!?

So, apart from one loss at a rebel held town I'm not doing "to" badly all things considered. What I am happy with is the way my laptop is coping but I do need a new keyboard as I'm struggling with the laptop one atm (no number pad).

[econ21]

Hi Braden - welcome on board! Which House do you want to join?

What I'm looking for now are the files to remove those darned green arrows and over large banners!!

The answers to your questions are in the stickied M2TW FAQ in the Citadel, ie

Q: How do I get rid of banners?

A:
Quote:

In the medieval2.preference.cfg in the video section there is a line that says
showbanners = 1
turn this to 0

Q: How do I get rid of the green circles under the selected unit(s)?

A: In medieval2.preference.cfg, there is a line that says:
disable_arrow_markers = 0
Just change the 0 to 1

I tried turning them both off, but then found it very hard to make out my units and in particular which ones I had selected. I now have the green circles on, banners probably still off.

[Ignoramus]

I'll think I'll join the House of Swabia.

Just one question. What happens to the Chancellor when he finishes his term as Chancellor? It would see that at the moment their is no advantage to be Chancellor. Because when you become Chancellor you have to resign your duchy and leave your house.

Historically, however, the Emperors were Dukes themselves, so what is going to persuade people to give up the Duchies to become Chancellor?

Also, when are we going to start? I am just asking this because at the moment the summer holidays are here in Australia and I'll be able to spend more time on the PBM for the next 3 weeks.

[Lucjan]

I think when Chancellors are done they're graced with the title "ex-chancellor" and return to their old position in the duchy.

Unless I missed something.

[OverKnight]

If you'll have a noob I'd love to play.

I've got M2 1.1 at home, time to kill at work (most nights), and internet at both places.

I've played M2 a decent amount and RTW a lot. I'm not an expert at file sharing, image hosting or using enriched text or pictures in a post but I'll bring myself up speed. Being avatar-less will allow me some time to get my feet wet.

As for house, it looks like Bavaria or Franconia could use another member, feel free to assign me to either to balance the numbers. Given from what I've heard about HRE in the game all fronts should be "interesting".

Time to go brush up on my history.

[Lucjan]

I'm thoroughly pleased and impressed with the initial turnout for the game now that we've greatly simplified the rules and stuck to the wots tradition for the majority of the pbem mechanics. Nice job everybody for pulling this together, particularly econ, whose organisational skills and rationale continue to make their mark on all of our new ideas, bringing everybody into a pleasing success story.

[Ignoramus]

Yes, econ's been the heart and soul of both the WoTS and the King of the Romans.

One question. How do the different ducal houses interact? Can two houses form an alliance to damage the other houses etc? What exactly will happen?

Also, I was thinking that perhaps we ought to add a few other cities as "required" for victory.

Milan - A continual thorn in the Empire's side, it is hard to argue against its require capture.

Rome(?) - The Pope and the Empire were often at each other's throats concerning the authority of the Church. *Also, it might be interesting to see where the Papacy heads off to next*

[OverKnight]

I can see adding Milan as a goal, I believe it was considered part of the HRE at some point, but conquering Rome would bring down the rest of the Catholic world on HRE. I believe if Rome is taken the Papal States (where ever they might end up) initiate crusade after crusade to retake it. While it might be fun to take on the world in the late campaign, leaving Rome alone provides for more opportunities for Crusades to exotic places and not having half the avatars in the PBEM burned at the stake for Heresy. Inquisitors are not fun, particularly with weakened assassins in 1.1.

Of course I would love to see the debate that occurs in the Diet when the "Let's take Rome" motion is proposed.

[TinCow]

Are there any patches out that allow us to change the Faction Heir? I would hate for a non-blood heir to inherit in our game since that would throw the roleplaying for a spin.

[OverKnight]

I poked around with google, no joy. I've been following the official forums and I haven't heard anything as well. Considering that a lack of heir selection generates a lot of posts even just a hint of a Mod to fix this would generate some buzz.

Your question is #9 in the official forums FAQ

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotal...tart=1&stop=20

Hope that link works, I'm still learning on the fly here.

We could use a strict no adoption policy but besides cutting down on potential avatars, this doesn't prevent the AI from setting a King's heir as his brother if no son has reached maturity. Unfortunately the selection of the heir never resets unless the heir dies. Sending off unwanted heirs to a noble death also cuts down on potential avatars and doesn't guarantee a logical (to us) selection of the next heir.

We could bite the bullet and just keep track ourselves of who *should* be Emperor. This may cause some confusion title wise however.

Considering the Chancellors will be the prime movers, I hope the wonky heir selection won't cause too many problems.

[Dutch_guy]

Well, this one simply looks to good to pass up - I'd like to join.

I'd like to join the house of Franconia, as it's the only house which is still short a player in comparison with the other houses and because I reckon any house with Lucjan 'll be exiting enough

PS: If we're going to do this PBM (more or less...) exactly like we did the WotS we should think about a second library (could call it a scriptorium, for role playing purposes). Don't worry, TinCow, I'm not hinting at anything at all, but it would be a good addition to the game. And I'd like to, maybe in combination with someone else ?, try and set something up which 'll serve the same purpose as TinCow's excellent Library did for the WotS.

EDIT: I also wish to notify you all of the 2H Animation Fix *UPDATED*

[pevergreen]

I'd join, but the mods im using may not be applicable...

I can get rid of them easily...so if youre in need of another general who can write about himself badly, but should be able to roleplay his traits, look no further! (I hope i/someone get/s an insane guy)

What happens, lets say if someone is Heinreich, and he dies, are they out for the rest of it?

[econ21]

Welcome on board, Dutch_guy!

Pevergreen - why don't you sign on to be the elector of a particular house? It will take a while to get enough generals for everyone, by which time you can decide if it is worth uninstalling the mods you're using. (We'll be largely using vanilla M2TW.)

I would hate for a non-blood heir to inherit in our game since that would throw the roleplaying for a spin.

I think we'll just have to bite the bullet and role with the punches, to mix my metaphors. In reality, the HRE emperor was elected (rather like our Chancellor) rather than determined by blood alone, so we are already inhabiting an alternate universe. A "weird" heir might even be fun from a role-playing point of view - a pretender? an unknown child stepping out of the shadows? a disgraced primo genitor heir? a kid pulling a sword from a stone? The possibilities are endless!

[pevergreen]

The "mods" i have are fixes. VnV fix, Ballista Tower fix, 2h fix, Ai diplomacy fix. All easily erased with one unpacking.

Ill be whatever would let me be a general. Cant wait to do a battle report... (maybe i should do an AAR...like Beefeaters, but i dont want to copy his..)

[Sorry for the spam]

So sign me up for whatever house will have me.
Off to bed now, 1:13 am.

[econ21]

I've updated the rules to reflect some of the discussion. Still undecided on the mods.

On the Chancellor - I think there's a huge incentive to be Chancellor, as you are the one playing the game! He'll keep a +1 bonus, but that is less attractive to Dukes, Princes, Emperors etc who already get that.

Players whose avatars died will be given new ones subject to availability.

Houses could well ally, but they can't really hurt each other directly. No civil wars - we're fighting the AI not each other!

[SwordsMaster]

Hey all,

I'd like to join this thing, but I will need time off and won't be participating as actively as others might. If this is ok, I'd like to join the House of Bavaria.

Cheers

[Ituralde]

Ituralde: yes, people can take agents as avatars. I think we have a diplomat, maybe a spy and a priest. They would all be suitable.

Sorry to come back to this again but I don't think I've fully grasped the concept yet. So agents like diplomats, spies and priests can be taken by players. Will this elevate the respective agents to the ranks of an elector? What powers will the player have over his avatar? Since agents can not fight battles and also not become governors or chancellor (correct me if I'm mistaken) what incentive is there to choose an agent over a general if both are available. As much as I like the role-playing possibilities offered by some of the agents, I don't know yet if I'm willing to sacrifice my right of refusal for a general with his huge potential of character development, governorship and last but not least the abiltiy fo fight battles, for any of them.
Maybe someone could shed some light into the whole thing for me as I'm really a little confused right now. For example, the starting agents have not been assigned as avatars to any person although they clearly could be.


On another not I'd like to thank econ21 for setting this up and reflecting my obsession with the Italian City States in the first post of this thread.
Also I'd like to extend a courtous greeting to Tamur, First Elector of Austiria. I might just stick with you as long as we get our hands on Bologna.

Cheers

Ituralde

[econ21]

Ituralde - I think you are right, a general is much better as an avatar; that's why I have not assigned any agents as avatars. Agents would be electors, could even be Counts, but not Chancellors, I think. If you had an agent, you could give suggestions on his usage to the Chancellor, but ultimately it would be his decision how to employ you.

In Will of the Senate, several people took agents as avatars - typically they were players who would not be able to fight battles (e.g. they had not installed the mod). But some switched avatars to generals later on.

[Braden]

Econ,

I'm willing to take an active part in this and I think I should be able to handle the Avatar you've offered me, however, I'll confirm my details tomorrow once I've had a chance to fully update myself on the rules you've set so far and any other info on the relating threads.

I also want to finish my WotS story

[Lucjan]

Good to have so many people on board, I think it's time to start conniving.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good to have so many people on board, I think it's time to start conniving.

You had better not be conniving while I'm Kaiser [1], or you get put on a crusade with only a unit of peasants!



[1]Does not apply if said Kaiser is included in said activities

[econ21]

Unfortunately, Tamur has had to drop out because of work commitments. But Braden has agreed to take up the role of Leopold, Duke of Austria. Like GeneralHankerchief, I invited Braden to take on this important role because he was very active in the Will of the Senate but just missed his turn to be Consul.

[TinCow]

PS: If we're going to do this PBM (more or less...) exactly like we did the WotS we should think about a second library (could call it a scriptorium, for role playing purposes). Don't worry, TinCow, I'm not hinting at anything at all, but it would be a good addition to the game. And I'd like to, maybe in combination with someone else ?, try and set something up which 'll serve the same purpose as TinCow's excellent Library did for the WotS.

We'll definitely need an Imperial Library and I'll be happy to do it up in the same style as the last one. It seemed to work pretty well.

Houses could well ally, but they can't really hurt each other directly. No civil wars - we're fighting the AI not each other!

I think we have a lot of opportunities for friction between the houses, if people roleplay their loyalties properly. Houses could gain substantial benefits by having one of their number elected Chancellor, if the Chancellor purposefully gives his House more improvements and better armies/commands. In addition, a House with a strong electoral base could force through legislation that hinders other Houses. I can even foresee Counts 'defecting' to other houses for better lands/commands in exchange for their electoral support or somesuch.

However, since I can't see how the lands 'owned' by the avatars will have any real affect on their quality, this will have to be done strictly on roleplaying. Hopefully we can start out with more competition and less internal cooperation than we did in the WOTS. Cooperation is great for the faction as a whole, but it provides far less PBM entertainment.

[Lucjan]

I agree with TinCow in regards to the natural friction that will occur, and think it will only add to the pbem. Also, if you want any help with the library. I'm open.

In regards to GH and my conniving. Just because I'm conniving doesn't mean I'm following Servius's style of conniving. Remember, this is a new pbem. New character.

Check out the deliberations thread. This Dietrich von Saxony guy doesn't seem too bad. Sounds like he has a thing for the Kaiser's daughter though.

[Grande Orso]

After following the WotS almost in its entirity, and being a faithful reader of these boards for quite a long time, I have finally decided to register and express my interest in this new PBEM, which I find a most fascinating way of extending this game's lifespan.

With that said, I realize that, at this point in time, I am a newbie to the boards, and for all you know, an inexperienced troublemarker. Hence, I submit to you the request of partaking in this as a member of the House of Bavaria or Swabia (the latter would probably be best, as I see the Bavaria has already 4 "registered" voters, making it a bit too crowded).

[Warluster]

Welcome to the .org Grande orso, I hope you enjoy the other PBM's here as well.

[OverKnight]

I've noticed that many of you have your avatar's name underneath your user name. How do you do that? It says in the FAQ you can enter something in the Custom User Text box. I either can't find that when I edit my profile or I don't have it because I'm new. Worse comes to worse I can just put Third Elector for Bavaria in my sig.

Anyway, back to reviewing edicts.

[pevergreen]

You can once you're a full member, only takes a few weeks.
EDIT: Yey! 300!