Out of Character thread

**TinCow** · 01-08-2007, 13:14

Are there any patches out that allow us to change the Faction Heir? I would hate for a non-blood heir to inherit in our game since that would throw the roleplaying for a spin.

**OverKnight** · 01-08-2007, 14:56

I poked around with google, no joy. I've been following the official forums and I haven't heard anything as well. Considering that a lack of heir selection generates a lot of posts even just a hint of a Mod to fix this would generate some buzz.

Your question is #9 in the official forums FAQ

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotal...tart=1&stop=20

Hope that link works, I'm still learning on the fly here.

We could use a strict no adoption policy but besides cutting down on potential avatars, this doesn't prevent the AI from setting a King's heir as his brother if no son has reached maturity. Unfortunately the selection of the heir never resets unless the heir dies. Sending off unwanted heirs to a noble death also cuts down on potential avatars and doesn't guarantee a logical (to us) selection of the next heir.

We could bite the bullet and just keep track ourselves of who *should* be Emperor. This may cause some confusion title wise however.

Considering the Chancellors will be the prime movers, I hope the wonky heir selection won't cause too many problems.

**Dutch_guy** · 01-08-2007, 15:44

Well, this one simply looks to good to pass up - I'd like to join.

I'd like to join the house of Franconia, as it's the only house which is still short a player in comparison with the other houses and because I reckon any house with Lucjan 'll be exiting enough

PS: If we're going to do this PBM (more or less...) exactly like we did the WotS we should think about a second library (could call it a scriptorium, for role playing purposes). Don't worry, TinCow, I'm not hinting at anything at all, but it would be a good addition to the game. And I'd like to, maybe in combination with someone else ?, try and set something up which 'll serve the same purpose as TinCow's excellent Library did for the WotS.

EDIT: I also wish to notify you all of the 2H Animation Fix *UPDATED*

**pevergreen** · 01-08-2007, 16:04

I'd join, but the mods im using may not be applicable...

I can get rid of them easily...so if youre in need of another general who can write about himself badly, but should be able to roleplay his traits, look no further! (I hope i/someone get/s an insane guy)

What happens, lets say if someone is Heinreich, and he dies, are they out for the rest of it?

**econ21** · 01-08-2007, 16:06

Welcome on board, Dutch_guy!

Pevergreen - why don't you sign on to be the elector of a particular house? It will take a while to get enough generals for everyone, by which time you can decide if it is worth uninstalling the mods you're using. (We'll be largely using vanilla M2TW.)

Originally Posted by TinCow

I would hate for a non-blood heir to inherit in our game since that would throw the roleplaying for a spin.

I think we'll just have to bite the bullet and role with the punches, to mix my metaphors. In reality, the HRE emperor was elected (rather like our Chancellor) rather than determined by blood alone, so we are already inhabiting an alternate universe. A "weird" heir might even be fun from a role-playing point of view - a pretender? an unknown child stepping out of the shadows? a disgraced primo genitor heir? a kid pulling a sword from a stone? The possibilities are endless!

**pevergreen** · 01-08-2007, 16:14

The "mods" i have are fixes. VnV fix, Ballista Tower fix, 2h fix, Ai diplomacy fix. All easily erased with one unpacking.

Ill be whatever would let me be a general. Cant wait to do a battle report... (maybe i should do an AAR...like Beefeaters, but i dont want to copy his..)

[Sorry for the spam]

So sign me up for whatever house will have me.
Off to bed now, 1:13 am.

**econ21** · 01-08-2007, 17:06

I've updated the rules to reflect some of the discussion. Still undecided on the mods.

On the Chancellor - I think there's a huge incentive to be Chancellor, as you are the one playing the game! He'll keep a +1 bonus, but that is less attractive to Dukes, Princes, Emperors etc who already get that.

Players whose avatars died will be given new ones subject to availability.

Houses could well ally, but they can't really hurt each other directly. No civil wars - we're fighting the AI not each other!

**TinCow** · 01-09-2007, 00:32

Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

PS: If we're going to do this PBM (more or less...) exactly like we did the WotS we should think about a second library (could call it a scriptorium, for role playing purposes). Don't worry, TinCow, I'm not hinting at anything at all, but it would be a good addition to the game. And I'd like to, maybe in combination with someone else ?, try and set something up which 'll serve the same purpose as TinCow's excellent Library did for the WotS.

We'll definitely need an Imperial Library and I'll be happy to do it up in the same style as the last one. It seemed to work pretty well.

Originally Posted by econ21

Houses could well ally, but they can't really hurt each other directly. No civil wars - we're fighting the AI not each other!

I think we have a lot of opportunities for friction between the houses, if people roleplay their loyalties properly. Houses could gain substantial benefits by having one of their number elected Chancellor, if the Chancellor purposefully gives his House more improvements and better armies/commands. In addition, a House with a strong electoral base could force through legislation that hinders other Houses. I can even foresee Counts 'defecting' to other houses for better lands/commands in exchange for their electoral support or somesuch.

However, since I can't see how the lands 'owned' by the avatars will have any real affect on their quality, this will have to be done strictly on roleplaying. Hopefully we can start out with more competition and less internal cooperation than we did in the WOTS. Cooperation is great for the faction as a whole, but it provides far less PBM entertainment.

**Lucjan** · 01-09-2007, 00:47

I agree with TinCow in regards to the natural friction that will occur, and think it will only add to the pbem. Also, if you want any help with the library. I'm open.

In regards to GH and my conniving. Just because I'm conniving doesn't mean I'm following Servius's style of conniving. Remember, this is a new pbem. New character.

Check out the deliberations thread. This Dietrich von Saxony guy doesn't seem too bad. Sounds like he has a thing for the Kaiser's daughter though.

**Grande Orso** · 01-09-2007, 06:22

After following the WotS almost in its entirity, and being a faithful reader of these boards for quite a long time, I have finally decided to register and express my interest in this new PBEM, which I find a most fascinating way of extending this game's lifespan.

With that said, I realize that, at this point in time, I am a newbie to the boards, and for all you know, an inexperienced troublemarker. Hence, I submit to you the request of partaking in this as a member of the House of Bavaria or Swabia (the latter would probably be best, as I see the Bavaria has already 4 "registered" voters, making it a bit too crowded).