Out of Character thread

[econ21]

In the list of edicts, I have only put down two seconders - more is unnecessary. We are going to vote on them (24 hour poll, starts Thursday 6pm UK time).

On the charter ammendement, I'd like to see the Emperor retain flexibility over allocation of settlements to Houses - broadly fair and broadly geographic, but not in a narrow legalistic sense (so I am against the ammendment). I see them basically as "rewards" or "favours" he can dispense according to his judgement. For example, if a Duke becomes a right hand man for the Emperor, providing lots of advice or help, he might be favoured. Or if one House proves very good at governing their settlements, they may be trusted with more etc. But the Emperor has no House so should not favour one faction per se.

[pevergreen]

And Since we are all people here for the fun and roleplaying, I dont think any house will be favoured overly. If i became Kaiser (Like thats going to happen), I would do everything in the good of the Empire, having one Victorious moment to remember my reign, but favouring my house too much. Maybe slight favouratism, but you could disown them if they went against you...so Many possibilites.

What happens if your general Rebels? Do you go to the back of the line?

[OverKnight]

I might be wrong but I believe it goes something like this:

The Chancellor conquers territory (farming out specific battles if needed), all factions in the Diet beg like starving puppies for dominion over said territory, Kaiser decides which Duchy (if any) to give it to. Once given it's permanent.

On another point, I find GH's pledge, charter amendment 1.1, a little confusing. If we don't like how the Kaiser is splitting things up we can't impeach him. We can impeach chancellors but not emperors. The worst we could do to the Kaiser is refuse to fight in battles or obstruct the diet or vote for a charter amendment to strip him of province allocating power. Of course if we could pass that one we could pass a charter amendment saying we could remove kaisers with an edict or 2/3 vote. Hmm. I've just confused myself.

[pevergreen]

Ingame?

[OverKnight]

Maybe the Austrians see it that way,but then they are also known for courting their own sisters.

Way to get the ball rolling Kagemusha! This session of the Diet should be fun. Welcome aboard.

[Kagemusha]

Way to get the ball rolling Kagemusha! This session of the Diet should be fun. Welcome aboard.

Thanks. I think we are going to have a great game.Little tension should create just the right atmosphere.

[Lucjan]

I haven't gone and read the latest diet proceedings yet, but here's my general opinion.

Kaiser, by rule of the current charter, distributes conquered provinces according to his own will.

Let's have some faith in this. I'm predicting that houses will soon become ignorant of their "directional inclinations" and we'll actually see Houses petitioning one another in the diet proceedings for territorial exchanges.

What I mean is -

For the sake of argument, let's say we're about 30 turns into the game and end up going to open war with France, who's had significant successes against England and controls the whole of modern day France and the low countries, minus Metz. I can see all four houses jumping to be involved in this big war, but that doesn't mean that all the conquered territories will be allocated to the western houses, Swabia and Franconia. Perhaps a general from Bavaria or does immensely well against the French armies, and thanks to his efforts, 2 full stacks of Frenchmen now lay six feet under and both Massillia and Dijon have been taken by his men. Swabia may have had a general that, while not performing quite as well, did make a good show of himself and without him occupying other French forces the Bavarian general would have been outnumbered and outmaneouvered. So, the Kaiser gives Dijon to Swabia and Massillia to Bavaria.

Here's where my anticipation of territorial redistribution deals comes in. Let's say Bavaria really has no interest in Massillia, but they own it. On the other hand, Swabia had, earlier in the game, been given control of Florence, which Bavaria does want, and does have an interest in. So naturally they take to the diet with an edict declaring the desire between the house of Swabia and the house of Bavaria to exchange ownership rights of Florence and Massillia.

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So, I say again, let's just let the property distribution take its natural course, I think we'll be pleased with the results.

[econ21]

Maybe the Austrians see it that way,but then they are also known for courting their own sisters.

Way to get the ball rolling Kagemusha!

Indeed - I managed to slam the car door on my finger this morning, making a generally miserable start to the day. But Kagemusha has provided me with an excellent tonic!

[Lucjan]

Yeah, despite Dietrich's rather stern IC response to the situation, I have to give both of them involved credit for brightening my day. That was awesome guys.

[Ituralde]

It surely was funny and I knew that edict 1.11 would haunt us in the future.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Lol guys, I just wanted to be fair with that amendment and not have anything like... that happen. I officially withdraw it.

And Kage, that was just... classic. Welcome.

[Kagemusha]

Thanks guys! I think this game will be a blast.

[Braden]

Just a very quick note to say that I'm sorry for my absence from the boards but, basically, we've all been as sick-as-dogs in the house.

I'm hoping to return to work tomorrow and hence be well enough to spend time catching up on proceedings, answering messages and actually starting my RP!

So, from plague house I'll see ya all tomorrow

[Grande Orso]

Just to let you know, I have been taking a bit of minutes for all the proceedings, just because it takes so long to get through all the roleplayed characters if you want to reference something (only did it because the semester just started here at school, and I have nothing to do ) . I will try to post those a bit later tonight, so that they are going to be available for all to read.

GO

[pevergreen]

I am so confused...how did the Emperors daughter get caught up in this?

[econ21]

I am so confused...how did the Emperors daughter get caught up in this?

There was a (Austrian) motion to marry her to Leopold; then someone realised they were brother and sister.

The Emperor's daughter is very important in that whoever she marries becomes a Duke (I'll randomly decide which House of (Franconia or Bavaria), unless she marries a Steward[1]). And it's entirely her father's decision.

[1]Edit: Thinking about it, if she marries a member of Dukeless House, he should become Duke of that House. Otherwise, it should be random.

[pevergreen]

Ah! Now i get the joke.

[Ituralde]

Just a couple of questions:

When will the IC thread for character development appear?
What do we do when the Diet's over? Will there be no communication between the Housese while GH plays along? I already miss the deliberations and communication. Gotta send an envoy to those pesky Swabians to keep this interesting.

See you on the Diet's floor!

Ituralde

[TinCow]

Discussion in the Diet should continue, just without Edicts. GH will be providing updates ("Chancellor's Reports"?) regularly on the actions. Those tended to provide good grounds for discussion in the WOTS and I expect they will here as well. When you refer to the IC character development thread, I assume you're talking about something like the Civil War Stories thread. I don't know when this will be put up, but most people don't even have avatars yet, so it'll be a while before it becomes widely useful.

[pevergreen]

The thing that has been annoying me, is traits. Will we get updates every turn/few turns of our traits? We need them to roleplay (I assume everyone knew that, just havent seen word on it)

[OverKnight]

I assume the Diet will become the place to petition the Kaiser for disposition of new lands and will remain very active.

I'm looking forward to actual game play. There'll be less legislating and we'll be able to curse rebels, denounce those traitorous merchant states, and jockey for position among the houses. Good times.

As for traits pevergreen, well you and I don't even have them yet. Just develop your character for now (you seem to be nursing a grudge against the Swabians which is a great start). Once we get avatars go with the initial traits and include new developments in them into your character as we get the saved games.

I don't envy GH the first few turns, I've started up an HRE game (h/vh) and the troop selection is sparse, knights in some castles, peasant archers in others, and town militia in towns (not even spear militia). Infrastructure is bad too. I managed to grab a few rebel settlements but I'm stretched thin with a lot of casualties and a depleted treasury. I will pray for the Kaiser.

[Lucjan]

Save game files will be uploaded regularly by the chancellor, that way you can download them and load them up on your own game to check your traits yourself, and offer the chancellor suggestions on what to do with you to swing traits the way you want them to.

EDIT - The trick with the HRE is actually to build only the bare necessities in the very beginning. Roadways, mustering houses, grain exchanges, etc. Dirt cheap crap, siege few cities into submission (minus Hamburg, which needs to fall as quickly as possible so that Denmark can't squeeze through the Hamburg region like they often try to, sometimes succeeding, before you actually control it). Once you've captured a few towns you notice the treasury jump, then you can start shelling out the cash for big investments.

[pevergreen]

Yeah, or just move every army to bologna and spend over 120 turns trying to get more than 3 cities. Needless to say i stopped that campaign a while back. Need inspiration for a new one. I would love to start a PBM myself, but i would use HRE, so thats kind of copying this one....

Maybe thats a good thing? So popular it has multiple little ones going along the side

[Lucjan]

I'd have to say that's probably not the best idea. Then you start the domino effect that happens when something becomes a fad, everyone needs it, then once everybody has it, the people who started it are no longer interested and then it becomes no fun for anybody and it all gets dropped.

I think it'd be easier and much less complicated to stick to just the one wots style pbem.

Which brings to mind, now that we have KotR (King of the Romans, not to be confused with knights of the old republic) we really should come up with a name for this type of pbem other than just constantly referring to it as the "wots style".

[OverKnight]

Parliamentary Play By Mail (PPBM)?

You have the prime minister, consul or chancellor playing the game itself, but advised by, and periodically replaced by, a member of the legislative body. All of it overseen by a fairly impartial monarch or senate speaker.

[Ituralde]

Discussion in the Diet should continue, just without Edicts. GH will be providing updates ("Chancellor's Reports"?) regularly on the actions. Those tended to provide good grounds for discussion in the WOTS and I expect they will here as well.

Already looking forward to that.

[OverKnight]

Can anyone recommend any good books or other sources of info on the HRE? I just finished John Julius Norwich's three books on the Byzantine Empire, where the HRE is mentioned a few times, but my knowledge of the Reich is lacking at the moment.

Thanks

[Kagemusha]

Are we over the deadline of proposing edicts?

[SwordsMaster]

Not for another hour and a half...

Are we over the deadline of proposing edicts?

[OverKnight]

I just noticed this while looking at the overview page in the game, apologies to those who already know:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

One of our victory conditions is taking Rome. I thought it was Jerusalem like the other Catholic factions. This should provide for an interesting end game. Sorry for the graphic but I wanted to practice my posting skills.