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    Cardinal Peter Scherer stands from his tall wooden seat. He gently raps on the floor 3 times with staff of office and waits to be recognized...

    First off my brothers, I wish to say that it brings me great joy and fulfillment to sit among you again. Once more I feel compelled to apologize for my absense during the last meeting of this distinguished body.

    Now beforeI speak to the wise proposals at hand, I wish to address the issue of our Holy Father, Pope Gregory. We all know that his Holiness and our Reich have had diffrences of opinion in the past. Gregory, regardless of what may think of him as a man, is the rightful Pope and the instrument through which Our Lord speaks to us during our short time here on Earth. One would be well advised to put wrath and pride aside for the moments we spend in this world so that one would hasten his soul's reception into the Kingdom of Our Lord in the next.

    As to the proposed edicts, I have this to say:

    2.2 I support this proposal in it's desire to capture the fortifications at Bern. The Swiss have strayed and must be brought back into the fold. If blood must be shed, so be it. Their children will thank us for it in a generation. However, I withhold my support for this proposal in lieue of proposal 2.5.

    2.3 Again I support the use of our forces to bring these people under the protective and benevolent rule of our Kaiser, may God bless him with long life. Currently, these folk have no lord above them. They have no stability. If these people are left to fester in such a state, they will surely engage in all sorts of unspeakable depravities too foul to mention in these hallowed halls. It is the duty and privlege of the Empire to bring order and security to these wayward souls before they succumb to the heresies that seem to flourish in the east.

    The cardinal glances toward the Austrian electors

    2.4 I am no friend to the Venetians. They love money more than brother, babe or Church. However, I agree with what so many here have said far more eloquently than I. We should not be the one's to play Brutus here. Instead we should let the Venician's greed for silver cast them in the role of Iscariot. Doing so will make our action appear just when we, in retaliation, drive the Doge into the sea.

    2.5 Steward Mandorf's proposal seems fair. I know the valor of the Bavarian people and fires that smolder in their hearts. As a son of Bavaria, I share it, though I have chosen a different field of battle. It seems almost cruel to deny these men the chance to serve the Reich and to put their lives on the line for a chance to bring glory to the empire and the Kaiser! I support this proposal.

    Additionally, the position of the Holy Father remains nuetral in the cause of Swiss independance. An attack on this settlement now will bring no reprecussions from Rome. Should we wait until Milan has seized it, we would risk Gregory's scorn. As I explained in my letter to this body at it's last meeting, our reputation is already poor in the Vatican and we should do what is possible to avoid throwing more tinder on the flames.

    2.6 Of all the settlement in need of our protection and tutelage, none cry out so loudly as Stettin. How a nation of unbaptised pagans has survived in the Heart of Europe for so long long is beyond my comprehension.

    The cardinal's voice grows louder and his face begins to redden with suppressed anger

    Even the Norsemen are Christians, yet these Stettinvolk still revel in carnal orgies and make blood sacrafices under the moon! It is an affront to the Church! ((Loudly taps his staff on the floor)) It is an affront to the Reich! ((Taps his staff even more loudly)) It is our duty to put an end to the evil of that place and bring the people to the Glory of accepting Christ, Our Savior.

    The blush of firey red that had flushed the Cardinal's face begins to fade and his voice returns to it's normal volume. He seems completely calm and ingarciating again.

    Securing this Baltic Sodom will give us access to the sea and the rich trade that flows there. As we enrich the local's souls, they will enrich our treasury.

    2.7 The Poles are good sons of the Church. They are like a pavis provided by the Lord to guard the heart of Europe from the hordes of the East. It is wise and noble of us to provide them our hand in friendship.

    Now I would like to make a proposition of my own...

    2.8 "Eusebius von der Pfalz and I, Peter Scherer, Cardinal, should travel to the region of Stettin to begin readying the populace for acceptance into the Church of Rome."

    Such a missionary undertaking will no doubt bring glory to the Reich, especially in the eyes of the Holy Father. For this reason I ask that the move be made as an official Edict of this Diet.

    Lastly, I would like to address the fact that while many new churches have been built by the order of this most pious and reverant Diet, we must consider that we do not have a great church building anywhere in the Empire. While the French build massive abbeys and the Italians bring greek architects in from the east to plan magnificent Basillica, the Reich has no true seat of Christianity as it exists in our Empire.

    I understand that times such as these may call for a build up of financial and military structures, but please do not forget that the soul also needs a fortress of faith which inspires it and strengthens its resolve.
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    Prinz Henry: I would like to inform your noble lords that all the edicts currently proposed have been listed at the front of the Diet building (post #1). Where edicts already have two seconders, additional seconders have not been listed.

    I would like to support Cardinal Scherer and second motion 2.8. In fact, I would like to go further. I believe more priests should be recruited to accompany the Cardinal and Eusebius von der Pfalz. Unlike Count Dietrich, I do not wish to cast aspersions on the ability of these two men of the cloth. The Cardinal is an inspirational figure and having met Eusebius, I can testify that the young man has a quite remarkable air of purity and goodness. But to convert a whole province of pagans is a mammoth task and I believe it requires more than a couple of men of the cloth to achieve in a reasonable time frame. When Stettin has seen the light, I am sure we could find employment elsewhere for our missionaries. My own attention has been drawn to the Holy Land and believe the day may soon come when men of the cloth can no longer abide the occupation of our most sacred sites to infidels.

    I would suggest to Cardinal Scherer that he ammend his edict to include an instruction that at least two more priests should be trained and sent to accompany him and Eusebius.

    [OOC: Priests get good traits if they convert non-Catholics quickly; more priests in a province means a faster rate of conversion and more chance of picking up good traits.]

    More generally, I wish to support my father's proposed course of action for the second half of his term as Chancellor. I do not wish to see us embroiled in major wars without just cause. Given our central and dominant role in Europe, I fear war will find us soon enough anyway. When it does, if we are not entangled in an existing conflict with a major faction, we will be much more able to respond vigorously. While a move east does not favour my own House, Swabia, I see the logic in it - the road west is currently blocked by Milan at Dijon and the Danes at Antwerp.

    I must study the other proposed edicts more carefully, but on first glance none causes me great displeasure.

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    Cardinal Scherer, there is no doubt that you are a good and pious man. Your concerns for all of God's children are admirable and are worthy of high praise. Furthermore, your statements about Bern and Stettin are insightful beyond measure.

    However, I am exceedingly disturbed by your statements regarding the Papal Usurper! *Mandorf spits on the ground and crosses himself.* The rightful Pope?! Since before the time of Constantine, the Pope was elected by pious and honorable men such as those who sit here in this very room. This was as God willed it and it cannot be otherwise.

    Antipope Gregory, in an attempt to seize earthy power beyond that decreed to him by God, refuted this most sacred and holy of traditions and removed the entire body of Christianity from their divinely given right of choosing the Pope! In the place of this most just electorate, he gave the power to his own sycophants in Rome, ensuring that future tyrants like him would be placed on the Highest Throne. In his wisdom, Kaiser Heinrich initially opposed this injustice with all of his most righteous power. It was only due to the rebellion of many, now deceased, traitors to the Reich, that his attempts to restore the rightful order was thwarted.

    We stand now, faced with this continued Satanic Tyranny... *Mandorf crosses himself again* ...that grows in Rome. Antipope Gregory has aligned himself against God and the Reich, for we are His chosen defenders on Earth! Your own statements show the Usurper's evil intents.

    You say that if we attack Milan first, Gregory will support them instead of us. How true this is! *Mandorf begins to sweat profusely, his arms flailing around in wild gestures* Have you not forgotten that the Milanese have rebelled and thrown off the rightful rule of Kaiser Heinrich? The Antipope supports them because he wishes to gain dominion over all Italy as a step towards tyrannical control over all Christendom! The Milanese dogs are but a tool of Satan to be wielded against our most righteous Lord. If we bow our heads and submit to this unholy order, we too shall be doomed to burn for all eternity! It is our divinely ordained mission to destroy the Usurper and return the Papal throne to God!

    *Mandorf sits down and wipes his brow with a handkerchief. For several minutes he continues to mutter quietly to himself.*


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    Brother Henry, I don't mean to cast an aspersion on any good man of the cloth, I'm just looking to his good health and the health of those he preaches to. I have no doubts about his purity or good intentions, I'm just concerned for his well being.

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    Prinz Henry: On a procedural point, no closing date has yet been set for this Diet. In keeping with our practice of allowing three days for deliberation, we will close tonight at midnight (UK time). There will then be a 24 hour period of voting.

    Electors who govern settlements should make sure they have posted build queues for the next Diet (10 turns) by midnight tomorrow.

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    Otto von Kassel again rises to speak:

    My fellow Electors, the good Cardinal has spoken sensibly, I second edict 2.8. If Peter wishes to change the edict in light of the Prinz's comments, I will still support it.

    Otto pauses and rubs his temples with one hand:

    As for the legitimacy of the current Pope. . .I try to stay away from the internal workings of the church. Yet our empire has had a special relationship with Rome since Pope Leo crowned Charlemagne Emperor. Without the Pope we would not be a Holy or Roman empire, but without us the Pope would still be under the Lombard or Saracen yoke.

    The investiture controversy has made relations with the Papacy worse, but are they irreparable? Pope Gregory is one man, he, like all men, shall die. Should we endanger our centuries old relationship with the Church for one man? I am just a soldier, I do not have the answers to these questions.

    But the Pope, legitimate or not, has power. If we are excommunicated, the other Catholic nations of Europe will fall upon us, eager for any excuse for open war. Other nations will look upon us as we look upon Stettin, heathens and heretics who must be brought into the Lord's light. And if they loot, or burn, or pillage or set themselves up as rulers over us then it is God's will, or so they shall see it. For now, at least, we must be cautious in our dealings with Pope Gregory. We must continue the work of edict 1.1.

    Otto pauses, speaking on religious matters has made him uncomfortable, he continues on a different topic:

    This Diet session has only has a day left by my reckoning. I have reviewed the edicts proposed so far and my guess is, if passed, implementing them will only require about half of the Kaiser's next term! What is to be done then? Inactivity is a folly! Sleep is for the dead!

    The Kaiser spoke of his plans in his report, but the Diet awaits his direction in this session. Please mein Kaiser, what are your thoughts? And if anyone else has edicts in mind you should speak now!

    Otto takes his seat, glances over at his fellow Bavarian Electors, and again rubs his temples.

    OOC: Edited to add more exclamation points.
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    Fifth Elector of Swabia stands up and speaks:

    "Mighty Kaiser, When i travelled here from Swabia i noticed the lack of watchtowers and patrols inside the Reich. Shouldnt we keep the Reich safe from bandits and know who are travelling inside the Empire?Therefore i propose:

    Edict 2.9. Building of Watchtowers on strategig locations inside the reich.

    Swabian Elector nods and sits down.
    Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.

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