Imperial Diet

[ArchdukeEvan]

bewarned my fellows... this may back-fire... as i understand the Reichs favor with the pope is low... so if they attack us... we may not take a blow to our favor... but mayn't they just recive the pope's approval?...

if he (pope) takes a stand agianst us... as he has before... this may backfire and be very costly... if not... it may be the most succesfull campiagn yet planned

I do not wish to be seen as a person agianst wars... i support them fully... and anyway to gain lands for the Reich is better than a loss... and if it was an Edict... i would support it... but in the past the pope has not favored our actions... so be careful in impliminting this plan...

[Warluster]

O, Fith Elector of Franconia, I was talking of the fifth Bavarian Elector, who supported terms of peace, not of the orginal peace. but I say this again- No country will keep to a reaty or Cease Fire, there all hungry dogs!

Milan and Venice ae simple Pets of the Pope.
The pope hates us.
France and England ignore us, and would attack if they got chance
And the rest just want some of our empire!

I say we burn,pillage and plunder at least one nation to teach everyone a lesson! As my fellow Swabian Elector has pointed out countless times, if we attack Poland and destroy them, then i am certian that the rest shall back off!

SO i propose-

Edict 1.16- We atack and destroy at least one European nation in the next 10 years

This shall be a package of fear to our enemies, detroying one nation shall give us more land,food and people, and lead us down our road to a higher victory!

[nazgul3]

5th Elector of Bavaria

I would second edict 1:16 provided that it does not lead to excommunication and that we attack the faction with the least amount of land. We cannot afford to be excommunicated by his holiness as it will cause great unrest among our lands. So i am suggesting we fortify our defensive postion in northern italy. Target Braslau in the interm and also try to provoke milan or venice into being excommunicated. This i believe will be the best course of action.

[lilirishman1986]

What European nation do you suggest? Edict 1:16 is too broad. We would need to concerntrate the majority of our already depleted forces for such an offensive leaving a large part of the Empire vulnerable to other enemies.

[Warluster]

The second elector of Swabia stands up, pointing at the 4th Elector of Bavaria
I did not suggest a certian nation has there is many diffrent nations with weaknesses we can attack, I suggest we attack eiter a rich nation or a nation with heaps of land, Poland for example. I did not suggest a single nation as I would first like to hear the opinions of veryone else, it is not too broad of a subject, if I said Attack the pope in 10 years, amy=ny people would complain, and also compliment, if I said attack poland, many would complain, many would compliment, so the way I ahve suggested now is the best as, everyone can put forward a good suitable target, and it is a good time limit!

The Second Elector of Swabia sits down

[econ21]

Prinz Henry: I have seconded the edict that we approach Milan to make peace. Now that she no longer has any settlements on the mainland, there is little cause for war and the Pope's injunction means that prosecuting the war will be at considerable cost.

This session of the Diet is now closed for the proposing and seconding of edicts. Electors may cast their votes at the following location:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=80126

Discussion may freely continue here as usual.

[OverKnight]

A messenger arrives from Otto von Kassel, he unfurls a letter and begins to read:

My lords, I wished to attend the Diet in person but unfortunately the situation in Milan has grown worse. I could easily sneak past this farce of a siege that Venice has cobbled together against us, but the city itself is close to rioting and with the threat of a Milanese attack on the horizon I must stay here.

To be blunt, the current situation in northern Italy is a mess. We have no army capable of offensive action, there are two Milanese armies threatening our new and old possessions, the Pope's army has cut off easy transit between Genoa and Florence and the Venetians seem to be marching on Innsbruck. We have forces scattered around Genoa trying to march past the Papal army and which could be destroyed piecemeal by the Milanese. Innsbruck has a sizeable force that could reinforce Milan or other places in Italy, but it is leaderless and has Venetian forces marching on it from the south and east. It is chaos. It is a disaster waiting to happen.

I will defend Milan to the last man, but with only my retainers and a unit of peasant archers I'm not sure if I can even hold the city from its own residents much less the Venetians or Milanese. I request that I be ordered to run off these Venetians so I can reinforce the city with mercenaries and newly raised levies. I do not ask this lightly, but with disorder around Genoa, the moves toward Innsbruck, and the distance from here to Dijon, I am not optimistic that outside reinforcement will reach me in time. We must remember that Milan and Venice are allies and can cooperate in combat.

I have sent my messenger with my votes. I have voted for edicts that will, I hope, allow us to reorganize and reinforce while avoiding excommunication. We must bring our lands in Italy under our full control, by eliminating the Milanese field armies, lifting the siege on Milan, and destroying the large brigand presence in the area, before taking further offensive action.

As for the Poles, I would hope we can lift the siege of Stettin and take a few territories before we hear from the Pope, but then we must hold. The only Catholic faction that has a worst standing with the Papacy than us is Sicily, and they are excommunicated. We have achieved much, but if we continue on our present course, we will lose it all and more.

The messenger rolls up the letter and leaves the Diet.

[Bizzair]

5th Elector of Bavaria

I second edict 1:16 provided that it does not lead to excommunication and that we attack the faction with the least amount of land. We cannot afford to be excommunicated by his holiness as it will cause great unrest among our lands. So i am suggesting we fortify our defensive postion in northern italy. Target Braslau in the interm and also try to provoke milan or venice into being excommunicated. This i believe will be the best course of action.

Then surely you don't second Edict 1.16

Please understand what the Edict says, his Edict purposes that a nation be destroyed in the next 10 years.

1. This is immpossible with our current infastructure
2. Will put the good of the Kingdom at risk of Enemys.
3. Will get us excommunicated.

how can you second an edicts, then give your reasons? Make sure you know what your seconding, if you only partially support it state the changes you would like to see in it, but surely you wouldn't second it!

*Face turns red with anger at the pure ignorance in the diet*

Edicts everywhere! Why do we not worry on what we have, instead of worrying about enemys and allies etc. Lets get the Riech under control before we control anything else!

[ArchdukeEvan]

Pray tell fair country man how we can get the Reich under contral without dealing with other nations?... are they not one and the same?... If you can make a proposal to gather this nation together without dealing with outside threats then by all means say so... elsewise it seems to make sence to deal with the threat that has armys and is bent on the Reich's destruction in the mean time

[Bizzair]

We must atleast try to make peace, then worry about upgrading military and trade infastructure.

Then please the pope, I do hate saying this, but he has the power to excommunicate us, the last thing the Riech needs is to have 12 Nations at war with them.

Atleast try to make peace, if not we will deal with them. But we must try to avoid self destruction, and brain storm some good ideas instead of putting forward stupid edicts that theres no reason behind.

[Warluster]

Edicts are ideas! We brainstorm the edicts! We are thinking about alliances and wars and stufff, thats the whole reason of edicts! Because if we went around saying lets make an alliance with this person, this person and this person, then whos is going to carry those orders out!? There not official, where if you have a good idea, then you put it in a edict and people will actually consider it!