anti-castro terrorist

[nokhor]

guy blows up a plane with 70 something people on it, and the U.S. gov't is currently sheltering this guy because he's anti-castro. does anybody know more details about this? don't want to pass judgement till i know more.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070115/pl_nm/cuba_usa_dc

[Tribesman]

Didn't he deny blowing up the airliner , but admit blowing up the tourists .

[Sjakihata]

So much for the Global War on Terrorism.

Steadfast principles and all...

[Kralizec]

If it's true, that's disgusting

[KukriKhan]

Wiki article on the guy and his background here .

It's rumored the US is trying to find him another country to be shunted off to - so far, unsuccessfully.

[drone]

Wiki article on the guy and his background here .

It's rumored the US is trying to find him another country to be shunted off to - so far, unsuccessfully.

Why don't they just send him to Gitmo? It's like extradition, only different!

[Del Arroyo]

Let's be serious though, it's not like the US is just letting the man run free. He is in jail.

They just don't feel like handing him over to either Castro or Chavez. Given the circumstances, I think they're completely justified.

It's not like no one has ever held out on handing over criminals to the US...

[GoreBag]

What circumstances? The guy blew up a plane. I remember a case where a certain Argentinian policeman was tried in the US for human rights violations back in Argentina. I don't see the discrepancy.

[PanzerJaeger]

This is why the semantics surrounding the "War on Terrorism" need to be changed.

We are not fighting a war on terrorism, we are fighting a war on muslims that attacked us - or more broadly: a War on America's Enemies.

Of course that doesnt quite roll off the politically correct tongue now does it?

[Del Arroyo]

What circumstances? The guy blew up a plane. I remember a case where a certain Argentinian policeman was tried in the US for human rights violations back in Argentina. I don't see the discrepancy.

Maybe the fact that we don't have diplomatic relations with Cuba, and we wouldn't with Venezuela if it wasn't for oil? The fact that Castro is a dictator, and Chavez is well on his way?

Criminal justice does not trump geopolitics.

And I will repeat, it's not like we're giving this guy a daggone medal-- we're not even allowing him freedom, he's in our jails. And as soon as Castro and Chavez decide to play nice, they can have him back.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Scene 1: President Ahmadinejad of Iran ponders what to do with the recently arrested Osama bin Laden.

"Maybe the fact that we don't have diplomatic relations with the United States, and we wouldn't with Britain if it wasn't for for the beer? The fact that Bush is a war-monger, and Blair is well on his way?

Criminal justice does not trump geopolitics.

And I will repeat, it's not like we're giving this guy a fresh set of clothes -- we're not even allowing him freedom, he's in our jails. And as soon as Bush and Blair decide to play nice, they can have him back."

[/dream sequence]

Hmm. I wonder if turnabout would be considered fair play?

[Del Arroyo]

Re: BG

Well, if that were ever to happen, Iran would of course be free to play the game. Though I imagine we could probably bring more pressure to bear on Iran than either Cuba or Venezuela can on us. Not to mention the fact that Osama is a mass-media charged high-priority target, whereas this Cuban is lower-profile, a minor player, who is being used by minor countries in an attempt at counter-propaganda.

P.S.: Not to mention the fact that I, personally, would feel better with Osama in jail anywhere rather than on the loose.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Re: BG

Well, if that were ever to happen, Iran would of course be free to play the game. Though I imagine we could probably bring more pressure to bear on Iran than either Cuba or Venezuela can on us. Not to mention the fact that Osama is a mass-media charged high-priority target, whereas this Cuban is lower-profile, a minor player, who is being used by minor countries in an attempt at counter-propaganda.

P.S.: Not to mention the fact that I, personally, would feel better with Osama in jail anywhere rather than on the loose.

That's reasonably fair and consistent.

[rory_20_uk]

PJ, better to be silent and for people to think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and for them to know it to be the case.

[Kralizec]

And I will repeat, it's not like we're giving this guy a daggone medal-- we're not even allowing him freedom, he's in our jails. And as soon as Castro and Chavez decide to play nice, they can have him back.

I wouldn't want him extradited as I don't expect he'd get a fair trial in either Cuba or Venzezuala.

I expect that the jail sentence he could possibly get for violation immigration laws pales in comparison with what he actually did, though. Seeing as how that's the only thing he's been charged for as of yet.

If a terrorist walks away after killing 73 people just so that the US can spite Castro and Chavez...

[Spetulhu]

How about a compromise? Send him to Camp Gitmo!

[Crazed Rabbit]

So much for the Global War on Terrorism.

Steadfast principles and all...

So, you're not one for basic human rights of prisoners?

IIRC, people complaining about this are the same ones who complain when we give prisoners to other countries who might not have the best reputation for humanitarian rights.

CR

[Banquo's Ghost]

So, you're not one for basic human rights of prisoners?

IIRC, people complaining about this are the sames who complain when we give prisoners to other countries who might not have the best reputation for humanitarian rights.

I have to agree CR, and hold my hand up as being guilty - at least of a level of double standards. You're right to pick me up on it.

I imagine it would be clearer to me if the US looked as if they would charge the man with terrorism rather than a simple immigration offence and pursue the case wihtout needing to deport. But this may not be possible under the law in the US.

[Mooks]

I say give him to the commies. No point in drawing attention and criticm.

[Beren Son Of Barahi]

the important part of all the reports is that he was trained as a bomb maker by the CIA...Cuba & Venezuela should invade the USA as its a training ground for terrorist??

Del Arroyo

Maybe the fact that we don't have diplomatic relations with Cuba, and we wouldn't with Venezuela if it wasn't for oil?

Doesn't Venezuela supply like 25% of Us oil imports?? see below

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Nov-06 Oct-06 YTD 2006 Nov-05 Jan - Nov 2005
CANADA 2,065 1,704 1,778 1,756 1,609
MEXICO 1,462 1,481 1,606 1,658 1,542
VENEZUELA 1,069 1,125 1,146 1,009 1,246
NIGERIA 919 1,049 1,046 1,163 1,068

Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Nov-06 Oct-06 YTD 2006 Nov-05 Jan - Nov 2005
CANADA 2,584 2,144 2,291 2,305 2,149
MEXICO 1,571 1,646 1,730 1,777 1,650
SAUDI ARABIA 1,489 1,382 1,459 1,370 1,543
VENEZUELA 1,234 1,354 1,418 1,258 1,529

that not just a little bit of oil and fuel, its 2.5 million barrels a day...if not from them you would get it from Iraq or Iran?...

Off topic, can anyone count up the amount of CIA mistakes that have become massive international problems in the last 10 years or so....

[Cronos Impera]

Gee, when the bomb blew up at Lockerbie Libya became politically-isolated for not handling down the terrorist to the American justice. All countries agreed on that.
Now if the guy is an anti-communist we don't call him a terrorist, we call him a freedom fighter. I'd have him hanged like I'd hang Pacepa ( a trecherous Romanian Securitatea general who desearted to the US after doing some...bad things in Romania).
You Americans allow all sorts of crap to immigrate to your country just to get a cheaper labour force.

[Sjakihata]

So, you're not one for basic human rights of prisoners?

IIRC, people complaining about this are the same ones who complain when we give prisoners to other countries who might not have the best reputation for humanitarian rights.

CR

This has nothing to do about that. Cuba has a good legal system as good as any western one.

If you want to make that argument, how about the US gives the prisoners at Guantanamo a fair trial?

[Crazed Rabbit]

This has nothing to do about that. Cuba has a good legal system as good as any western one.

haha!
Are you really serious?

If you want to make that argument, how about the US gives the prisoners at Guantanamo a fair trial?

I believe they are going to recieve military tribunals- not that that is particularily relevant.

CR

[Scurvy]

This has nothing to do about that. Cuba has a good legal system as good as any western one.

Debatable

I believe they are going to recieve military tribunals

and thats really fair....

Now if the guy is an anti-communist we don't call him a terrorist, we call him a freedom fighter.

[Tribesman]

Now if the guy is an anti-communist we don't call him a terrorist, we call him a freedom fighter.

To make it slightly more confusing , what do you call it when you call them terrorists (they are socialists internationals) yet pledge to give them 84 million in arms and training ?
So there are 2 ballons up for grabs for whoever guesses which group whose armed faction is on the US proscribed terrorist list is getting a nice arms shipment courtesy of the US .

[Ice]

If anyone thinks we are going to bow to the demands of the rinky dink Island of Cuba or our good friends down in Venezula, they are sadly mistaken. I'm glad we are keeping him here. Let them complain more.

[Tribesman]

I'm glad we are keeping him here.

So Ice , you rejoice that alledged terrorists who supposedly blow up airliners and slaughter civilians including olympic sportsmen can escape justice courtesy of the good ol' US of A .
What a person you are for allowing political prejudice to destoy any claim you may have had about supporting justice and fighting terrorism .

[Ice]

So Ice , you rejoice that alledged terrorists who supposedly blow up airliners and slaughter civilians including olympic sportsmen can escape justice courtesy of the good ol' US of A .
What a person you are for allowing political prejudice to destoy any claim you may have had about supporting justice and fighting terrorism .

I don't believe he's had a trial yet, Tribesman. Don't paint me as a terrorist lover just because I don't want to the deport the the man to one of our enemies.

Edit:

Cuba says Posada also planned bomb blasts in Havana hotels that killed an Italian tourist in 1997 and plotted to blow up Cuban President
Fidel Castro during a regional summit in Panama in 2000.

From what I see in the article, I see no concrete evidence the man is guilty, only Cuba saying he is.

[Kralizec]

I don't believe he's had a trial yet, Tribesman. Don't paint me as a terrorist lover just because I don't want to the deport the the man to one of our enemies.

Edit:


From what I see in the article, I see no concrete evidence the man is guilty, only Cuba saying he is.

Ice, notice:

Cuba said on Monday the United States should indict Luis Posada Carriles, a militant anti-Castro exile accused in the bombing of a Cuban airliner, for terrorism instead of minor immigration charges.

It doesn't seem likely they're going to investigate if any of Cuba's allegations are founded, moreso because:

Posada, who was trained by the CIA as an explosives expert in the early 1960s

[doc_bean]

I don't believe he's had a trial yet, Tribesman. Don't paint me as a terrorist lover just because I don't want to the deport the the man to one of our enemies.

Edit:


From what I see in the article, I see no concrete evidence the man is guilty, only Cuba saying he is.

Errr..so you're opposed to Gitmo then ?

just checking