Lance charges vs. cavalry

[hrvojej]

I was wondering if anybody else has the problem of not being able to get any kills from a head-on lance charge against enemy cavalry? For example, on a grassy plain map, if you doubleclick the enemy cavalry with your cavalry, they run up to them, lower their lances, keep the formation, but nobody dies until the secondary weapons are drawn. I didn't do any comprehensive tests, but this is the impression I am getting from the battles I've tried. I am wondering if this is due to the soldiers' 3D models not being 'hit' by the lances - the horse's head is blocking the way and perhaps the lances are too short to reach the rider. So, am I doing something wrong, or is it just the way it is?

I seem to remember reading something similar to this on the forum, but I don't remember where it was - my apologies to the person who first reported this.

[PureFodder]

From my experience it's just the way it is. It may even be better to make the lancers mess up their initial charge so they already have their swords drawn.

[FactionHeir]

Yup, I see the same thing happen to me, but only against medium and heavy cavalry. Light and missile cavalry usually lose a few in the initial charge.
However, when fighting heavy cav, its better to attack them slowly in melee than charge in because when you charge, a few of your units get trapped further in the enemy unit and get literally cut off very quickly.

[Siebharrin]

Might be because they have similar collision mass?

[hrvojej]

Might be because they have similar collision mass?

Good point. I'll see whether I can observe any changes now that I have changed the mass of different mounts. Still, I think that at least some casualties should be inflicted by cavalry directly charging other cavalry unit.

[FrauGloer]

I've done plenty of tests of cav vs cav, and there have always been kills on my charges... E.g. Knights Templar vs Knights Hospitaller head-on in 2 lines each, both lower their lances, on impact about 15 KTs and 15 KHs die, then they change to swords and fight it out. This is out of memory, but I'm 100 percent certain that I've seen several of them falling before anyone had got their swords out.

As for why there are fewer casualties then in a cavalry-infantry situation, I think the similar collision mass is a good reason.