Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
And completely ignores the fact that the progeny of slave owners are for the most part Republicans, while the progeny of non-slave owners are for the most part Democrat.
Learn history. The Republican party (Abraham Lincoln) were mainly an abolistionist party. In fact most Southerners and slave owners were Democrats. Today the democrats are finding it hard to break this tradition considering their constant use of keeping blacks under their thumb by creatively keeping them on government assistance.
Learn geography and English. Here is the Dem/Rep breakdown by state from the 2004 election:



Here is the definition of the word "progeny:"

prog·e·ny
Pronunciation[proj-uh-nee]
–noun, plural -ny or, for plants or animals, -nies. 1.a descendant or offspring, as a child, plant, or animal. 2.such descendants or offspring collectively. 3.something that originates or results from something else; outcome; issue.

Note that the south is now pretty much Republican, and the North is Democrat.

So unless you are suggesting that some wholesale migratory swap took place after the civil war, in which all the former slave owners moved north, and all the non slave owners moved south, my statement is correct. The descendents of the southern slave owners are now for the most part Rupublican voters, while the descendents of the northern abolitionists are now Democrat voters.

My mistake though, I shouldn't have put forth a comment that involved both the use of a dictionary and a map to understand.

Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking
Pure BS! Anyone with the slightest familiarity with American history would know that the Democratic party was the party of the slave owners.
Having read the above, do you now understand what I was saying?

Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking
The Republican party was the party who freed the slaves. Hum. A hard example might be say Abraham Lincoln.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and sponsored by ooops, the Republican Party.

For those who might be so supremely ignorant as to think the Democrats have stood for civil rights prior to the 1960s I suggest any of a myriad of American history books.

The Johnson administration was highly racist but saw the opportunity to snatch the black vote from the Republican party with their war on poverty. You can read cynical pronouncements by Lyndon B. Johnson if you care to do any historical research.
And I don't disagree with any of that. But the fact remains that a complete shift has happened in both parties. They both stand for very different things now than what they did 40 years ago, not to even mention 140 years ago. For the current Republican Party to try to get credit for their role and villify the Democratic Party for their role in the civil rights movement is laughable, given that the demographic that previously was vehemently anti-civil rights now comprises the base of Republican power.

And BTW, if you still believe that my knowledge of American history is lacking, you can only blame the American education system.

I went to high school in Connecticut.



Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking
The idea that either political party is clean of racism is in itself a fallacy. The idea that one party is good and the other is therefore evil is paramountly stupid.

This is a recent flip and could change tomorrow...........
Agreed, and agreed.