Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Caius]

Unvote,Vote:pevergreen

Let me explain why

In my experience here, Sasaki has never been helpful to the town.

Good idea to get rid of him early? Maybe

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Bolded vote

EDIT:

An obvious frame of someone like CF (spanish reference).

Im from Argentina, not Spain.
We dont have that bull tradition here.

[Dutch_guy]

I like Sigurd's attempt, it's the type of thing that will start some actual discussion. The colorblind thing is also taught, though I was taught at age 9 or so so I don't see the argument there.

That said, I still don't understand why people tend to look to the kill descriptions with the actual intent of finding the mafia responsible for them. Has it even worked, ever ?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That said, I still don't understand why people tend to look to the kill descriptions with the actual intent of finding the mafia responsible for them. Has it even worked, ever ?

Helped me identify Reenk. I don't think it's bad as a discussion starter. Used to be someone would mention something from the kills and everyone would jump on the wagon. Nowadays it just starts people talking.

[Stig]

Others are allowed to vote Pevergreen but I'm not, Sasaki?
Strange, very strange

Vote: Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You didn't put much of your own opinion into your vote.

[Reenk Roink]

Hmm... It seems I could get a good List going...

Let's see:



discovery1 just elicits pity. I can't possibly put him on my list. Infact, I really wish he could have a better reason for voting for me...

Pannonian I can't possibly List. In Mafia V, he switched his vote in the first round saving me because I fulfilled his simple request. After narrowly escaping a first round lynch, I killed him. That was despicable, but that's what being Mafia does to you...

Seamus Fermanagh... Now here is a guy who I was partners with. I tried my very best to help him out. In Rise of the Mob, I didn't even write up a silly kill description out of respect. How has he paid me back? He killed me in a Holmgang and is voting for me because I killed UltraWar in Mafia V (he was first on the list of players).

Now, if dead people wouldn't be allowed to speak then I would completely vote for Sasaki Kojiro, but for now, a pure retaliation vote for Seamus Fermanagh.

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh

*Don't even try to call me out for my retaliation vote. It is a most ethical way of playing, and I will defend with with upmost vigor...

[Stig]

You didn't put much of your own opinion into your vote.

Did Caius? Did Sir Moody?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Did Caius? Did Sir Moody?

Yes. All you said was "if someone is suspicious it's pevergreen".

[Stig]

Yes. All you said was "if someone is suspicious it's pevergreen".

Voting to create a draw is even worse

[UltraWar]

I really need to get myself some alcohol to drown my sorrows. I reckon I have the worst record in .org Mafia history. This could spawn a new phrase: "UltraWar" - Being killed in the first round repeatedly over various games.

[Kagemusha]

Vote HughTower. Strange and agressive reaction to Sigurds provocative post.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I'm dead and it's only first round, those who killed me shall die for this.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Seamus Fermanagh... Now here is a guy who I was partners with. I tried my very best to help him out. In Rise of the Mob, I didn't even write up a silly kill description out of respect. How has he paid me back? He killed me in a Holmgang and is voting for me because I killed UltraWar in Mafia V (he was first on the list of players).

Truly? My daughter picked my 1st target with random numbers that game.

Really, my vote for you here is meant as a compliment. I love your veering humor and wouldn't put it past you to select Ultra as a theme -- death in round one being his motif -- knowing your love of themes and the "high wire" approach to mafia.

Now, if dead people wouldn't be allowed to speak then I would completely vote for Sasaki Kojiro, but for now, a pure retaliation vote for Seamus Fermanagh.

Why silence Sasaki unless you view him as a threat?

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh

*Don't even try to call me out for my retaliation vote. It is a most ethical way of playing, and I will defend with with upmost vigor...

Of course retaliation voting is a valid tactic! I never said it wsn't -- where is that coming from? I tend not to do so, since I try to base my voting on some form of analysis (though round one tends to be weak for that), but I've never thought ill of this tactic.

[HughTower]

Vote HughTower. Strange and agressive reaction to Sigurds provocative post.

Really? Why? What about his argument do you favour over mine? Can you present any insights? Or, are we relying on your gut instincts to guide us? That's fine, btw, but we might as well know about it now.

[Reenk Roink]

Why silence Sasaki unless you view him as a threat?

Annoyance.
Hurts villagers.

People may give him props for pushing for my lynching in Mafia V, but also remember that it was Kommodus' recommendation over anything, and by the end, I could have survived that round but made the decision to die. Also remember that in that very game, he got detective Banquo's Ghost lynched, and fully believed me that I was detective...

*No offense Sasaki, but you are a divisive figure in these games.

Of course retaliation voting is a valid tactic! I never said it wsn't -- where is that coming from? I tend not to do so, since I try to base my voting on some form of analysis (though round one tends to be weak for that), but I've never thought ill of this tactic.

Not meant towards you buddy, but you know how people have voted against me because I abstained, courteously, because I wrote in smilies, and because I retaliated voted. Those reasons aren't much different than voting for me because I go to Michigan.

Also...

Unvote: Seamus Fermanagh
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Seamus can't be guilty this game. I knew his behavior as a townie and as a Mafia. I vote Sasaki for the abovementioned reasons as well as the fact that I never got to punishing him for being Perma-Listed...

[Xiahou]

unvote; vote: HughTower

For his seemingly irrational response to Sigurd. It's not much to go on, but it's more than I've seen from anyone else thus far.

[Kagemusha]

Really? Why? What about his argument do you favour over mine? Can you present any insights? Or, are we relying on your gut instincts to guide us? That's fine, btw, but we might as well know about it now.

Now its hear again. I didnt say anything about whether his argument was better or worse,but what is making me suspicious is your strong reaction on Sigurds post. And now mine.Why was Sigurds post so upsetting when it wasnt even aimed at you?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Reenk's tone is just a touch more staid than when he's been mafia before. It may be that he is getting better...or that he is townie this time.

Unvote

Vote: HughTower

Your tone is off from what I remember in Capo -- you are not some kind of lurker or anything, but your contrib's here seem a touch frenetic so far -- like you're trying to contain something but can't quite....

[Csargo]

Unvote:whoever
Vote:HughTower

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Reenk's tone is just a touch more staid than when he's been mafia before. It may be that he is getting better...or that he is townie this time.

Unvote

Vote: HughTower

Your tone is off from what I remember in Capo -- you are not some kind of lurker or anything, but your contrib's here seem a touch frenetic so far -- like you're trying to contain something but can't quite....

He was mafia in Capo

[Kommodus]

*checks in from the Ft. Lauderdale airport*

Phew, business trips can be a killer (pun intended). Anyway, the plane is about to board so I don't have much time for this.

Pevegreen and Reenk Roink are suspicious because of the way they've attacked Sasaki in spite of the proven results his methods produce. Pevergreen hasn't known Sasaki as long, so I guess this isn't quite as relevant for him.

Hughtower and Sigurd Fafnesbane are a little suspicious because of the way they've gone after each other, but... I dunno, something doesn't feel right about it. I'm not ready to vote for either.

Stig is suspicious for attacking the practice of voting to produce a tie. It's usually done to allow for more discussion - how can that possibly harm the town?

But after all that, I'm going to...

Vote: AndresTheCunning

Call it a hunch. I've been in a lot of games, and his first-round behavior just feels a little mafioso-ish to me. Meh. I'm probably wrong. In a few rounds I'll be able to switch back to the analytical approach...

[Pannonian]

Tally as of post #142

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

sasaki (4) - , redleg, sapi, stig, reenk
reenk (2) - , discovery1, pannonian
orb (1) - , sasaki
pevergreen (3) - , byzantineknight, sir moody, caius flaminius
redleg (1) - , crazed rabbit
pannonian (1) - , andresthecunning
sigurd (2) - , hughtower, orb
hughtower (5) - , sigurd, kagemusha, xiahou, seamus, ichigo
andresthecunning (1) - , kommodus
abstain (4) - , chuggthesquirrel, destroyer of hope, countarach, rythmic
not voting (9) - , fenring, motep, sir boo, jimbob, pevergreen, ignoramus, warluster, dutch guy, zalmoxis
Total (33)

[HughTower]

Vote: HughTower

Your tone is off from what I remember in Capo -- you are not some kind of lurker or anything, but your contrib's here seem a touch frenetic so far -- like you're trying to contain something but can't quite....

4 in a row have mentioned my tone (and voted for me). So I will attempt to defend myself on that score.

When I said SF's assumption was 'truly awful', it was NOT an expression of anger. His logic was awful, & it was patronising [to young people] as well. I took it at face value & challenged him, & he claimed a ruse. He also admitted bandwagoning in the same post.

Re: historical tone, Seamus, in CdiT, I was a) a virgin, b) mafia, & c) not above the odd heated exchange with both Pannionian & Redleg as I recall.

Maybe I need to tone down my rough edges to get my point across better.....

My death is of no consequence to this town (other than a vote), and I can run lurker campaigns from the grave.

[Stig]

Stig is suspicious for attacking the practice of voting to produce a tie. It's usually done to allow for more discussion - how can that possibly harm the town?

If you make a tie, you will make sure a mafia isn't killed, how can that help the town? Answer that question

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If you make a tie, you will make sure a mafia isn't killed, how can that help the town? Answer that question

In GH's games we vote between the two who are tied-thus extending for another day of discussion.

[Kagemusha]

In GH's games we vote between the two who are tied-thus extending for another day of discussion.

But is it good for the town?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But is it good for the town?

This isn't mini mafia

[Stig]

In GH's games we vote between the two who are tied-thus extending for another day of discussion.

Yeah so, then comes night with kills, then we vote between 2, so that gives mafia an advantage

[Csargo]

Yeah so, then comes night with kills, then we vote between 2, so that gives mafia an advantage

Night doesn't happen until after someone is lynched.

[Andres]

I guess the game has started...

If I remember correctly in GH's games the kills might be written by the mafiosi or GH has tailored them based on a few instructions from the mafiosi.

The first kill caught my eye. An obvious frame of someone like CF (spanish reference). But I am thinking a young player since everyone old enough knows that Bulls are colourblind. It is not the red colour that catch the attention of the bull but the movements of the cape.
Or this could be a frame of the young players.

There is not much to go on here but the town's interest is not served by having a no-lynch this round.

Vote: pevergreen

A shameful bandwagon I know... but you are one of the young players.

Well, it doesn't seem a good reason for voting pevergreen, but still, voting somebody in first round serves the town's intrest statistically (correct me if I'm mistaken, I think it was Sasaki who calculated it in one of the mini mafia games). So I can follow the logic of the statement that a no-lynch is not in the towns intrest.

HughTower reacted pretty harsh. Sigurds reaction in turn was this:

AHA!!!

So I hit home with my patronising... I guess you don't like being called stupid in public mafioso.
I guess the old ruse tactic still works.

unvote: pevergreen, vote: HughTower

Sorry, but it seems a bit odd... "I guess you don't like being called stupid mafioso"... It seems to me HughTower was upset and suspected Sigurd of trying to start a bandwagon against pevergreen. The reason Sigurd gave for voting HughTower seems strange.

Call it a hunch. I've been in a lot of games, and his first-round behavior just feels a little mafioso-ish to me.

This smells like meatballing too. But at least you are not jumping on a bandwagon. I would like you to elaborate a bit though.

What caught my eyes earlier on in the game: pevergreen and Redleg trying to start a bandwagon against Sasaki, who is an asset for the town (unless he's mafia, which we cannot know for sure this early in the game). He opens discussion with his random accusations. Discussion we need at the beginning of the game. That would have been a better reason to vote pevergreen than the strange explanation Sigurd gave for his vote for pevergreen. Instead of defending himself against HughTower and giving a good explanation for his vote on pevergreen, he just switched to HughTower giving a no reason once again for his vote. Suspicious.

Pannonian voted for me in CDTC while I wasn't participating. Now he voted again for somebody who wasn't participating. Is he just being clumsy? I stated before that this can be a poor attempt to claim innocense later on in the game...

But Sigurd's behaviour seems more suspicious to me, so:

Unvote : Pannonian
Vote Sigurd Fafnesbarne