It's Official Obama is running in '08

[Stig]

That, my little Stiggy Wiggy, is the very soul of racism. His being black should have nothing to do with you wanting him to be prez. If we are ever going to get rid of racial predjiduce, we are going to have to start admiring and hating people for their attributes and ignoring their race. I don't car about your little "ballancing" garbage; you are doing exactly what nessecitated the civil rights movement, you are discriminated on the basis of race.

I'm not even bothering to reply to your post

oh stupid me I did, ah well:

MEH!!!

[Vuk]

While I am at it, I will bash the stupid bi-partisan system. You are a perfect example of how dumb it is...you and most every American. Here you are, not going to vote for your values and your country, but your party!!! There is a problem there. Like most Republican, they would vote for McCain because he is Republican, even though he stands against everything they believe in and flip-flops as much as John Kerry! Vote based on a persons qualifications for the good of you country, don't vote for your party...or a race you endorse...

[Don Corleone]

I think Barack Obama is a principled man, courageous enough to take a stance, something that's rare in our political arena these days. Unfortunately, his stances aren't anything I happen to agree with, for practical reasons as well as ideological ones. But I do give him the high-mark as the most honest, direct and forthright politician I've seen in a long time.

Oh yeah, how'd that work out for Howard Dean?

[AntiochusIII]

I think Barack Obama is a principled man, courageous enough to take a stance, something that's rare in our political arena these days. Unfortunately, his stances aren't anything I happen to agree with, for practical reasons as well as ideological ones. But I do give him the high-mark as the most honest, direct and forthright politician I've seen in a long time.

Just a question, if he somehow beats the Clinton machine and gets nominated, and the Republican fudge up their primary and get either yet another Bushite, a Bible-thumper, or the average Washington hypocrite, would you vote for him?

I'd be interested in people's opinion on what is more important, ideology or the character and skills of the candidate :/

P.S. I'm not sure whether this Obama is a brilliant conniver who manages to deceives the whole nation on his character or if he's actually the real deal. It'd be interesting to know, for sure.

[Don Corleone]

It would really depend Antiochus. I don't know that the Bush camp have identified a succssor, so I don't have anyone to be wary of there yet. I'll be wary of anybody receiving George's endorsement prior to Super Tuesday '08.

If a guy got the nomination strictly for being a social conservative, and had no ideas on economics/foreign policy (as opposed to Barrack's, which I happen to disagree with) yes, I would vote for Barrack Obama.

If somebody with an even rudimentary grasp of how a free-market economy is supposed to work (and based on his stated positions, it is clear that Barrack Obama does not) I would have to vote for them.

[Geoffrey S]

I hope you get Obama vs. McCain. A win-win in my eyes, both decent men who have thus far been consistent and honest; as long as they surround themselves with good people they should at least be able to make the US credible once more. That Obama faces an uphill struggle is certain, but he seems solid enough to survive it. Though I worry that should he fail, his extremely promising potential will be unfulfilled; perhaps this is too early.

No way I'd like to see Hillary in the office. After two Bushes a second Clinton would make a mockery of the elections, and above all she's an untrustworthy scheming person and the very definition of 'flip-flopping'.

[Vuk]

I hope you get Obama vs. McCain. A win-win in my eyes, both decent men who have thus far been consistent and honest; as long as they surround themselves with good people they should at least be able to make the US credible once more. That Obama faces an uphill struggle is certain, but he seems solid enough to survive it. Though I worry that should he fail, his extremely promising potential will be unfulfilled; perhaps this is too early.

No way I'd like to see Hillary in the office. After two Bushes a second Clinton would make a mockery of the elections, and above all she's an untrustworthy scheming person and the very definition of 'flip-flopping'.

Obama v.s. McCain...I think I'd shoot myself...

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I'm not even bothering to reply to your post

oh stupid me I did, ah well:

MEH!!!

I think Vuk may have mis-understood your post, but you don't need to flip out on him Stig,no need mate.


Being the Republican I am, I obliolsuy am backing the Iraq War, so mostly the only beefs I would have with Obama would be with learining he took drugs when he was a kid, and him not Supporting the Iraq War.


Why can't we get a Clean President, who never took drugs, or had some sort of alchol ploblem or inolved in a scandel? You take a Look at Bush,CLintion and now Obama, it just makes me sick. I think Obama could win, I like the guy- expect for the two things above..

[Ice]

I think Vuk may have mis-understood your post, but you don't need to flip out on him Stig,no need mate.


Being the Republican I am, I obliolsuy am backing the Iraq War, so mostly the only beefs I would have with Obama would be with learining he took drugs when he was a kid, and him not Supporting the Iraq War.


Why can't we get a Clean President, who never took drugs, or had some sort of alchol ploblem or inolved in a scandel? You take a Look at Bush,CLintion and now Obama, it just makes me sick. I think Obama could win, I like the guy- expect for the two things above..

You "obviously" aren't a republican if those are you only two beefs with Obama.

Who cares if Obama took drugs when he was younger? His personal life should not matter.

[Kralizec]

Warman, please don't try to use words like "obviously".
Why should a history of alcohol or drug abuse disqualify somebody from office, provided that he/she has reformed?


I'm not sure wether I'd vote for Obama if I had the chance.
Giuliani I know more about, and from what I know I like him a lot. Obama on the other hand, is a pretty new guy- he's inexperienced and what's more, there's no way to know how he'd handle an executive position.
McCain, if he's running, would also be a viable choice for me.

And if the match would be Clinton/Obama vs McCain/Giuliani, my choice would definitely be the latter.

[Xiahou]

Why can't we get a Clean President, who never took drugs, or had some sort of alchol ploblem or inolved in a scandel? You take a Look at Bush,CLintion and now Obama, it just makes me sick. I think Obama could win, I like the guy- expect for the two things above..

Hey, Obama is clean- he's also articulate, bright and nice-looking and, apparently, the first mainstream African-American to be those things.*

*According to a Democrat Senator.

[Goofball]

Hey, Obama is clean- he's also articulate, bright and nice-looking and, apparently, the first mainstream African-American to be those things.*

*According to a Democrat Senator.

Good Lord.

What idiot said that?

[Xiahou]

Good Lord.

What idiot said that?

Joe Biden.

Here's the actual quote:

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,”

Edit: There's tons of commentary on it, but scant little "hard" news stories on it- see for yourself.

I believe Biden is also the same guy who previously said: "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent."

[Goofball]

Joe Biden.

Here's the actual quote:

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,”

What a tool...

[drone]

What a tool...

He's also in the running for the Democratic nomination, although his success is very doubtful at this point.

He ran for Prez a while back as well. His campaign got torpedoed by plagarism, IIRC.

[Louis VI the Fat]

he took drugs when he was a kid,

I've heard rumours that Obama also experimented with sex as a teenager.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I've heard rumours that Obama also experimented with sex as a teenager.

That's it! Not only can I not vote for him, I will have to rat him out to Falwell and Robertson so they can go Levitican on him.