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    L'Etranger Senior Member Banquo's Ghost's Avatar
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    Default Re: I know history is doomed to repeat, but quite this quickly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Well it's not that far fetched, why would Iran allow Iraq to become stable oil-producing power again if they can help it.
    Because if Iraq retains its weak Shia majority government (so neatly installed by the US invasion) its oil effectively belongs to Iran.

    Iran wants a Shia puppet government in Iraq. The insurgency is Sunni, and Americans are being killed by Sunnis. The Sunnis hate Iran.

    If the Sunni insurgency is being armed externally, it is by Syria and Saudi Arabian interests in a desperate attempt to counter Shia ascendancy.

    Iran is certainly meddling in Iraq, but it is to arm and strengthen the Shia militias that underpin al-Maliki's government. Even then they're not going too far, as al-Sadr for one is not particularly pro-Iranian. They want pliable puppets on the border, not heavily armed jihadists.

    The invasion of Iraq was a dream come true for Iranian foreign policy. They have no interest in prolonging the US occupation, for the moment the Americans leave, they have a new oil-rich province and an ancient foe neutered. This is exactly what Bush senior was told the first time round - the difference being, he listened. This is exactly what the Iraq Study Group noted, and suggested it might be a good thing for this to happen with some degree of US input by negotiating with Iran.

    Everybody knows it but Shrub.
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    To me it seems entirely plausible that Iran could have been funding terrorists.

    a) They hate America
    b) They are geographically in a position to fund anti American violence and weapons.
    c) Imagine you are Ahmaddinajeed (or however his name is spelt); why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablodelmar
    To me it seems entirely plausible that Iran could have been funding terrorists.

    a) They hate America
    b) They are geographically in a position to fund anti American violence and weapons.
    c) Imagine you are Ahmaddinajeed (or however his name is spelt); why not?
    Sir, your job in the White House awaits you. You may have to dumb your reasoning down a bit though. The case was made after (a). (b) and (c) may confuse the president, especially as they contain long words like "geographically"
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    Excellent Fragony.

    Look, there's more:

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    This is so weak it's just appalling.

    White House needs to pull the finger out and start making up convincing evidence if it wants to be believed, or at least employ authors who understand the local situation.

    This is quite a good explanation of it all I think.
    Last edited by BDC; 02-12-2007 at 16:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin
    Hmm, how to put this in terms that the White House will understand?



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    The Boy Who Cried Wolf

    There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!"

    The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.

    "Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers, "when there's no wolf!" They went grumbling back down the hill.

    Later, the boy sang out again, "Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!" To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.

    When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, "Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don't cry 'wolf' when there is NO wolf!"

    But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.

    Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, "Wolf! Wolf!"

    But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn't come.

    At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn't returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.

    "There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, "Wolf!" Why didn't you come?"

    An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.

    "We'll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning," he said, putting his arm around the youth, "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"
    You're assuming that they understand parables...



    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    What makes me really curious about those firecrackers is that Iran would give firecrackers to terrorists/freedom fighters/insurgents/guys who need anger therapy and write "recently produced by Iran, contains really bad high explosives" onto them in english.

    On a sidenote, the dates are xx.xx.2006, isn't it something around xx.xx.1000 or so in Islam and with Iran being an islamic state, wouldn't they use islamic dates?


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    The Iranian army is about 100 times as strong as the Iraqi. Besides it will rain rockets on Israel. Next to that I think most Arabian country will stop supporting the USA.

    Even Bush isn't that stupid ... I hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar
    You're assuming that they understand parables...
    Well, they 'understand' the parable of the talents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General arguement
    To me it seems entirely plausible that Iran could have been funding terrorists.
    Oh yes!!! I forgot the old prevemptive strike theory.

    Look we've some strong assumptions that you may be X so we're going to invade you just in case.

    EDIT: That seems totally plausible too...
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    Default Re: I know history is doomed to repeat, but quite this quickly?

    Invade no, interdict yes.
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    Default Re: I know history is doomed to repeat, but quite this quickly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito
    Invade no, interdict yes.
    Hasn't this passed the point of interdiction? Besides, what are they going to interdict exactly?
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    Default Re: I know history is doomed to repeat, but quite this quickly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito
    Invade no, interdict yes.
    If you want to prevent the militias getting weapons, sending a few accountants out there to keep track of the money you're handing out will probably be more effective than sending an aircraft carrier to bomb Iran. Does cost effectiveness, or even plain vanilla effectiveness, not enter the calculations?

    Watch out for stories linking Iran with the Nazis in days to come. They tried it last year with the yellow ribbons, but that was exposed as a fake within hours. The usual stable of neocon mouthpieces will again link Israeli security with the need for American aggression, with dissenters shouted down as anti-semites. I only hope we will be out of there by then.

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