Out of character thread II

[Kagemusha]

Wellcome lilirishman1986 and Xdeathfire! The more the merrier,hope to see you guys in the Diet soon. Other then that,what are the bases for emergency call for a diet? Shouldnt a new war be a reason for emergency Diet? Im pretty sure that many of the electors would chance their positions on many issues and also we shouldnt just wait out for the Venetians to keep the iniative when we are waiting with our moves becouse of bureocracy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Welcome lilirishman1986 and Xdeathfire! You'll have lots of fun here, and you seem to have picked the right houses for action, considering who we're fighting with.

OverKnight - I'm doing a battle report that might cause some deliberation in the Diet later today, that might help with the pause.

[econ21]

Semi-seriously, we've hit a little bit of a pause. . .when are we going to get an update on the latest saves?

I am inferring that Ignoramus does not have internet access over the weekends, so we will have to get used to pauses on Saturdays and Sundays. Things did happen very fast on Friday when he became Chancellor, though, so we can't complain.

Other then that,what are the bases for emergency call for a diet? Shouldnt a new war be a reason for emergency Diet?

We have not set out the basis for Emergency sessions. People have to make a case in character and see if the Emperor will buy it. I would not want to see many Emergency sessions - each Diet session is 3 days debate plus one of voting, so that really slows things down. And the Chancellor only rules for 10 turns anyway.

Personally, I think the grounds for an emergency session would be:
(a) when the Diet really is not happy with what the Chancellor is doing and wants to pass edicts to change that;
(b) when the Chancellor is really unsure what to do and wants to put it to the test via deliberation, votes etc.
In real life war would be a reason for an emergency diet, but in the game, I would only press for one if you think the Chancellor is not handling it well (or will not handle it well).

In the current situation, if we get a Papal excommunication warning about persisting to attack Milan, and the Chancellor feels obliged to persist in these attacks because of edict 3.8, then it does seem to be grounds for concerned Electors pushing for an Emergency Session. Whether GH would grant one, given he supported edict 3.8, is another matter.

I think this issue is probably best discussed in character.

[Kagemusha]

Econ. Those are all good points and my proposal could result into almost continuos Diet sessions, but what im worried about is that we are heading into continuos streak of excommunications,when we start making decisions after 5 turns after the conflict has started. But then that seems already almost unevitable. I think it is just my personal liking of slow games that pushes me into more cautious direction.
If we look how many cities/castles we have already taken and the concensus of majority to take an agressive stand against the pope and not listening him, it will propably lead into situation that after 20-30 turns we will have absolute hegemonia in Europe,fighting on many fronts with non developed armies becouse our treasury is drained on our many armies fighting on several theatres, but that should atleast give us plenty of avatars and battles to fight soon.

[econ21]

Econ. ...it will propably lead into situation that after 20-30 turns we will have absolute hegemonia in Europe...

Maybe, but maybe the whole thing will come crashing down upon our heads. Ignoramus already had a close escape in the Alps. For what it's worth, many of the players pushing for a hardline on the Pope were opposed to any sign of "rushing" in the Wots game, so I think they are being driven by role-playing considerations rather than a desire for a fast paced game.

As I said, let's fight this out in character - by all means, call for an Emergency Session and raise hell about it in the Diet. The tension between desires for a slow paced game and aggressive instincts was arguably the main source of in-character divisions and disagreements in the Wots

[Kagemusha]

Maybe, but maybe the whole thing will come crashing down upon our heads. Ignoramus already had a close escape in the Alps. For what it's worth, many of the players pushing for a hardline on the Pope were opposed to any sign of "rushing" in the Wots game, so I think they are being driven by role-playing considerations rather than a desire for a fast paced game.

As I said, let's fight this out in character - by all means, call for an Emergency Session and raise hell about it in the Diet. The tension between desires for a slow paced game and aggressive instincts was arguably the main source of in-character divisions and disagreements in the Wots

Thanks for the advice. I think that my Swabian Elector character has to give out some of his wiews on the diet with sharp tone.

[lilirishman1986]

Ah this little new elector would like to know the status of the Empire. I think what i have read so far indicates that The Empire is fighting a 2 front war with Milan and a new one with Venetians who have back stabbed the Empire. Currently the Pope is set against us yet not the Empire is not currently Excommunicated.

Anything else i miss?

[OverKnight]

If you own M2TW, you can download the most recent save and take a look.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1124-2.zip

Poke around and see the current situation.

Yup, we are at war with Milan, they attacked Bern in about 1118, which we had just seized from rebels. The Venetians just joined the party, betraying our alliance with them.

Our Pope-o-meter is at a 4 out of 10. Fortunately Milan's is at a 3. The Pope is not hostile to us, he's just wandering around our lands with a huge army. During the last Diet session there was much discussion about taking Rome and deposing the Pope, most of those edicts failed, but there's still a lot of free floating anti-Papal sentiment.

The War with Milan is going well, Milan and Genoa are ours, and Dijon is about to be besieged. These battles however have left our troops in northern Italy worn down, and there is a Milanese army in the Savoy pass that could counter-attack. Vienna is under siege by the Venetians as well, that was the act that broke the alliance. Venice could also strike at our new and old possessions in Italy.

Edit: The way we've been playing we don't turn fog of war off when viewing saves and unless you're the chancellor don't play forward from them, or at least don't mention the results. Consider the saves scouting reports and such.

[lilirishman1986]

2nd quick question now that i am the fourth elector within the great house Bavaria may i take the floor within the Diet?

[OverKnight]

Please do take the floor, players without current avatars are encouraged to participate in all activities, speaking in the Diet, proposing edicts when the Diet is in session and plotting with fellow house members or associates in other houses. Just because you can't fight battles yet doesn't mean you can't have some fun.

If you've already read up on the Diet, followed the thread and such, feel free to speak there. AussieGiant is a good example of a player who, even though he doesn't have an avatar yet, has made his presence known.

Feel free to PM other players in character as well.

[Bizzair]

Hey ladies! ;)

I am sorry I realized I started a new thread. If someone could add me to xfire: blairgray0410

I am happily willing to join, and will make a commitment if someone can please! help me as I am a pc noob, and seem slow when it comes to things like this

[OverKnight]

Hey Bizzair, welcome aboard. Econ21 is quite active and should be around to help you at some point. If you're new to forums, click on the FAQ button on top of the control bar, gray bar at top, to get started. If you're just new to PBMs in general click on the How to Play PBM thread stickied to the top of the Throne Room.

If you want to find out about the KotR PBM I'd start by clicking on the KotR Library thread which is also stickied to the top. There are other threads as well that have a KotR prefix. This OOC thread also has the FAQ for KotR at the beginning. Hope that's enough to get you started.

[Bizzair]

Thank you, so I shoukd ignore all the threads without KotR in the name? I am heading off to work tommorow morning but when I get home I will read up on this, also please if you have xfire or msn do add me:

MSN: btotheizzair@hotmail.com
Xfire: blairgray0410

[Ituralde]

Hello Bizzair!

I'm glad you'd like to join in our game and I could offer you the most attractive post of Third Elector of Austria.
You would fit right in, seeing as the House of Austria has become something of a noob assembly, where no member has participated in the predecessor of this game WotS, but we're getting along well and could really use that third active player.

Once I'm home I'm gonna add you to my msn and if you have any questions after reading those mentioned threads, or anything else remains unclear, just go ahead and aks!

Cheers!

Ituralde

[Ignoramus]

I'm sorry about the delay; the coumputer I use needs to have Windows reinstalled. I should be able to continue tomorrow.

Bizzair: Welcome to the game. I suggest you read some of the Imperial Diet deliberations to get a good feel and grip of the game.

[econ21]

I am happily willing to join, and will make a commitment if someone can please!

Hi, Bizzair, welcome. You should start off by picking a House to belong to and posting your choice here. You can see the list of Houses and players in the table in the first post here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77311

Austria, and Franconia, are particularly in need of new members.

Then you should get up to date on what's been happening. I recommend reading the later reports in the above thread to learn about our war with Milan and now Venice. You can get a first hand info from the savegame:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1124-2.zip

Then I recommend you post in-character in the Diet:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=77086&page=10

A current focus of debate is how to square the risk of excommunication with the desire to prosecute the war with Milan.

[econ21]

Ignoramus - please clear you PM box so you can receive new messages.

[Bizzair]

Alrite, sounds great! I read Austrias the east, I would love to be part of Austria! I'm at work right now, about to head on out for lunch... mmm McDonalds ;)

Anyway.. when I get home I am sure I'll find some nooby questions to ask..

But I have one main one, what are the names of the threads I should read, as I see ones with MTW2 and RTW and KotR and PBM at the front. Whichs ones should I stick to to find out about everything in this game. I will read the sticky on how to play when I get home!

Thanks!

[Dutch_guy]

Alrite, sounds great! I read Austrias the east, I would love to be part of Austria! I'm at work right now, about to head on out for lunch... mmm McDonalds ;)

Anyway.. when I get home I am sure I'll find some nooby questions to ask..

But I have one main one, what are the names of the threads I should read, as I see ones with MTW2 and RTW and KotR and PBM at the front. Whichs ones should I stick to to find out about everything in this game. I will read the sticky on how to play when I get home!

Thanks!

The Following I'd definitely recommend:

The previous OOC thread

Battle reports thread

Stories thread

Chancellor and governor reports

The Imperial Diet

The Imperial Library

[econ21]

Bizzair - yes, the relevant threads are those with Kotr in front; you can ignore the others. I'll sign you up as the Third Elector of Austria.

[AussieGiant]

Alrite, sounds great! I read Austrias the east, I would love to be part of Austria! I'm at work right now, about to head on out for lunch... mmm McDonalds ;)

Welcome to House Austria Bizzair!! Which time zone are you in?

[Jalf]

Ooh ooh, sounds like fun! Sign me up! I'd prefer to join Franconia or Swabia, but I'm not too picky... :)

And now, I guess I've got some reading to do, catch up on a bunch of threads... Everything KoTR, you say? :)

[OverKnight]

Welcome aboard! Feel free to post any questions you have in this thread.

[Ituralde]

Welcome Bizzair to the most noble House of Austria.

As you can see from the Diet thread lilirishmen1986 is already continuing the fine tradition of Austrian-Bavarian animosity. Too bad Leopold's not available in the Diet right now!
Also you should consider that it really isn't in Leopolds capability which units are built or what he does. Those are to a large part up to the Chancellor.

[AussieGiant]

Hey Ituralde, how long can Vienna last under seige?

You are in no position to attack so the Chancellor has to do something.

[econ21]

Ooh ooh, sounds like fun! Sign me up! I'd prefer to join Franconia or Swabia, but I'm not too picky... :)

Welcome, Jalf. I'll sign you up as the 5th Elector of Franconia.

[lilirishman1986]

oh i know the Leopold cant control troop types but i gotta start off the rivalry somehow lol.

[OverKnight]

Start it? You're just adding fuel to an already raging inferno.

I'm kidding mostly, the most recent debate over overthrowing the Pope has cut across House lines actually.

[Ituralde]

oh i know the Leopold cant control troop types but i gotta start off the rivalry somehow lol.

Hehe... if Leopold wasn't holed up in Vienna he'd be shredding you to cinders... verbally of course.

Vienna can hold out long enough I think. Currently I would even favour a sally again, because I thought about the situation and a sally would give the opportunity to attack each of the two stacks seperately if you're fast enough. Otherwise they would combine and I already fear what might happen if they combine and attack the depleted Militia. Either way I'm gonna loose some Militia, but should probably manage to win if I don't loose Leopold.

[OverKnight]

Kagemusha, I'd love to take out Venice, but as I mentioned a few days ago, I'm going on vacation (I'm heading to the airport in a few hours). I'll have internet access, so I can participate online, but I won't have my computer with me, so no battles.

If I can't play a battle, any battle Otto leads, like Milan is besieged for example, will be auto-calced. Heinrich and Otto are the only avatars in Italy at the moment, and I'll be away and the Kaiser's bodyguard unit is wrecked. I don't want to disrupt the campaign by my absence so all this was partly why Otto was calling for more avatars to be sent to Italy.

Believe me, if there was some way of bringing the game with me I would. But it's 15 degrees Fahrenheit out here and I need to go someplace warm. I'll be back and battle ready Friday evening (EST).