Why is the currency the Florin?

[Forward Observer]

Personally, I would rather that they used something more creative such as scratch, g-notes, smackers, moola, smackaroos, buckaroos, pesos, denaro, shekels, greenbacks, cabbage, or my personal favorite--big-uns.

Just think how pleased one would be after sacking Milan and scoring 15,000 big-uns--I know it would certainly make my day.

[Whacker]

Personally, I would rather that they used something more creative such as scratch, g-notes, smackers, moola, smackaroos, buckaroos, pesos, denaro, shekels, greenbacks, cabbage, or my personal favorite--big-uns.

Just think how pleased one would be after sacking Milan and scoring 15,000 big-uns--I know it would certainly make my day.

Scratch all that, this is teh winnar. Hands down. No contest.

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Edit:

I'd like to place all blame for this thread and any hilarity, insanity, etc squarely on diablodelmar's shoulders. That is all. Have a nice day.

[JCoyote]

Florins are the de facto standard in MTW/M2TW because they were the de facto standard among many nations in medieval europe.

They are not made up, and they are not being turned into something they weren't. Most of the centers of merchant exchange and more importantly banking were in Italy. Therefore most rulers had bank accounts in Italy and the accounts were denominated in Florins. This is also why so many nations ended up calling one or another of their own currencies florins.

[Czar Alexsandr]

I believe the medival currency was the Byzant for a good period of time. But then later.. thosse meddling Italians started minting the Florin, and around the same time the Byzantine empire really started to get ill it became the standard currency.

And of course other kingdoms did have coins and what not.. but Italy and the Byzantines were the only ones who could actually back their money. For a good amount of time anyhow.

(disclaimer. Czar Alexsandr really doesn't hate Italians. He's just a bit ticked they're not exactally helping his fellow bearded Orthodox friends. )

[Bongaroo]

what word did they use for currency in rtw and stw?

[Whacker]

RTW was the denari, and STW was the koku.

PS: Greetings fellow RDU resident.

[Furious Mental]

Sorry if that came off rather rude. But it's not that uncommon in computer games to get people actually whining about something supposedly being inaccurate only for it turn out that it's not inaccurate it's simply counter-intuitive, and after a while those sorts of complaints get tiresome.

[Lorenzo_H]

Yeah I have seen it too often myself.

My main question actaully was simply "why did they choose the florin?" And not "stupid people chose the florin why didnt they choose the thing that I wanted?"

[Lorenzo_H]

I am currently reading the famous "Frankenstein" by Mary Shelley, and I was most surprised to see in Chapter 5 the mention of "florins."

Was the florin still in circulation around 1818, the time of the publication?

[alpaca]

Personally, I would rather that they used something more creative such as scratch, g-notes, smackers, moola, smackaroos, buckaroos, pesos, denaro, shekels, greenbacks, cabbage, or my personal favorite--big-uns.

Just think how pleased one would be after sacking Milan and scoring 15,000 big-uns--I know it would certainly make my day.

What, you mean like this? Weeeeird

[heroic hungarian]

lol how did you change the currency to big-uns?

[pike master]

thats cool i wander if you could make it dollars. that way i only have to pay about 800 dollars to buy a crack unit of swiss guard and only 185 dollars every two years to keep them.

[Chaos Cornelius lucius]

Searching through the spare change jar yesterday I came up with a New Zealand 1964 florin, so they were still in use until fairly recently.

[alpaca]

lol how did you change the currency to big-uns?

Ah sorry didn't check in here for a few days.
I simply replaced all mentions of "florin" with "big-un" while preserving case in all the text files (i.e. everything in data/text). It's a playable mod if you want it

[Forward Observer]

What, you mean like this? Weeeeird

Thanks, Alpaca. That made my day--lol!

[The Spartan (Returns)]

why doesnt just each faction have different currencies?

[_Aetius_]

why doesnt just each faction have different currencies?

Wouldnt they all have different gold or silver values and just make things overly complicated?

AFAIK 1 currency tended to dominate like the Byzant which saw circulation far from the Byzantine empire.

[FactionHeir]

They might just have called it silver or gold pieces, I guess there would be less debate about it then

[Foz]

why doesnt just each faction have different currencies?

Presumably because you won't be able to find a reasonable currency for each country that:

1. Existed throughout the time spanned by the game
2. Was equal in value to those currencies chosen for all other factions

#2 is probably more important, because differently valued currencies would necessitate the game converting currencies from florin to whatever else on the fly (probably a conversion table). This would undoubtedly lead to the prices of things no longer being displayed as the nice numbers we currently have (only divisible by 100 generally, and the occasional 50) which would make economics much harder to decipher while you play. There's an undeniable niceness to neat-looking numbers...

As someone also pointed out earlier, different currencies would imply in-game exchange rates, since each country you do business with is undoubtedly paying you with its own currency. The result would be a whole lot more code to determine and handle the fluctuations of exchange rates, i.e. vast economic simulation to determine currency value. You'd need new interfaces to buy and sell currencies too in order to do business with other countries and possibly speculate on their currencies, which I suppose means the game would also need to track how much you have of every currency, not just your own. While I'm sure some players would love the currency sub-game, I'm equally sure that some players would despise it, and therefore the necessity of using it would surely upset part of the player base.

The last and biggest reason is again a rehash from earlier in the thread: that the florin really was a key currency in the vast majority of factions represented in-game, and the governments of all said factions would've had some accounts in florins. That being the case, it seems to make an awful lot of sense to avoid the unnecessary baggage of multiple currencies and instead adopt a historically accurate currency of the times, that a man would be guaranteed would be excepted wherever his travels took him.

[JCoyote]

Exactly. I think a lot of people get confused between the currencies in everyday transactions and the ones used by governments and banks. Historically, they are often different things. A slightly less divided example was in the banknotes used in the earlier part of the 20th century and before... bills in the $1000 or more range were printed, and were used almost exclusively between banks for their transactions... regular account holders were NOT given them, and sometimes were prohibited from having them.

Each government would have its own coinage, many being different than the florin. But that local coinage was only used inside the country, the government and banks used florins for most inhouse accounting and exchange with other governments and banks. It vastly simplified things for them... they liked it because they DIDN'T have to consider exchange rates for transactions between themselves. It started becoming more important later in the world of interest and investing... working on exchange rates with interest at the same time without decent calculating machines could quickly drive you nuts. So... governments used florins between each other.

[Mithradates]

Couldnt everyone have a different currency name but the same value? Simply to make thing a little different.

[Bobo]

Presumably because you won't be able to find a reasonable currency for each country that:

As someone also pointed out earlier, different currencies would imply in-game exchange rates, since each country you do business with is undoubtedly paying you with its own currency. The result would be a whole lot more code to determine and handle the fluctuations of exchange rates, i.e. vast economic simulation to determine currency value.

The exchange rates didn't change at the time: it was the amount of gold and silver that determined their respective values. As long as that didn't change, the exchange rates remained fixed.
Nevertheless, I agree that there is not much point in complicating the game with more micro management that has no added value whatsoever.
I kinda like the Florin because that is what we call our currency here in our language, so my 8 year old son understands perfectly well what '500 Florins' means.

[Slug For A Butt]

So you want stock exchanges included too now? Or you just want different currencies included to confuse the game more? What is the point?
Damn what a daft question...

[Razor1952]

Please sir ..... I know..... I know.....


The developers are Australian so they used an Australian Florin of course, don't you guys know the usual map of the world is upside down. The south pole (and Australia close by) should be at the top of the map.

Its an aussie-centric issue.