"Fighting to the death" status?

**Whacker** · 03-17-2007, 21:23

My experience is that I've seen far too much of this, the "Fighting to the Death", even when I leave a (at least I think it's pretty clear and obvious) way out for the broken units. Don't see anything wrong with this concept at all, just think it needs some tweaking.

**JCoyote** · 03-17-2007, 22:38

What I think is wrong is that so many units are practically in fight to the death mentality anyway. When I'm seeing 75 man units not routing until there's only 4 left, and they aren't being led by an uber general, something's off. Personally I think the thusly enhanced lethality of the new battles is a bit unrealistic, and reducing the game to more of a "choose the right units and slug it out" as opposed to older maneuvering your enemies into routing.

**FactionHeir** · 03-17-2007, 23:14

Fighting to the death units (more so for infantry than cavalry) also fight at lower strength than units that are not broken.

**sapi** · 03-18-2007, 01:44

I've also noticed (and fyi this is just personal experience) that units that are fighting to the death tend to be far less effective than you'd think - I've had units break and do so with dozens of men left and not inflict more than one or two casualties...

**Foz** · 03-18-2007, 04:13

Originally Posted by sapi

I've also noticed (and fyi this is just personal experience) that units that are fighting to the death tend to be far less effective than you'd think - I've had units break and do so with dozens of men left and not inflict more than one or two casualties...

Perhaps reflective of the mentality one has when trapped and forced to fight a hopeless fight trying to escape? Animals fight harder when cornered, but perhaps humans fight weaker because they see how hopeless and futile their situation has become.

**sapi** · 03-18-2007, 04:36

Yeh - That's likely the case

I wasn't saying it was a bad idea, just commenting that fighting to the death does very little except on walls.

**StoneCold** · 03-18-2007, 11:04

Shoudn't that be a case for surrendering instead of fighting to the death? I mean you are surrounded, broken as a figthing unit, I thought the men in it will more likely to surrender than to fight to the death?