Patch 1.2 Release/Delay Discussion

[sapi]

@Carl - at the risk of going OT i'll explain.

Torrents are files telling you about files. You download these files, ie the patch, from other users with them. Thus the torrent is just a means of accessing other people with teh file (through a tracker, but I won't go into that).

As such, having two torrents is pointless, as the number of people wanting the patch will be the same.

Having, 30 people on one torrent and 70 on another would actually be slower for both than 100 on the one.


Back on topic, does anyone have a link to an official release stating that the patch has been delayed?

[Durallan]

apparently theyre on german gaming sites and some people who did get the patch from jolt before it crashed said that it was crashing on them so it is likely that this is true. Having said that I ordered CnC 3 Tiberium wars, special collectors edition and because its a public holiday tomorrow and they don't deliver on weekends I will be waiting till wednesday next week to get it. So I have to wait a loooong time for it too so waiting longer for medieval 2 1.2 patch is no fuss for me. I was looking forward to 4 days of medieval 2 patched, but I should probably do some work instead ;)

[sapi]

The only thing that irritates me is that a delay at this stage is a 5 day delay (tomorrow's Good Friday, then a weekend, so the first day of retesting is monday)

Still, better to get it working than not.

[Odin]

Back on topic, does anyone have a link to an official release stating that the patch has been delayed?

Hey Sapi,

I was browsing the official forums and there is no "official release" that the patch has been delayed.

http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic...e.html?page=16

the last few pages of this thread have a few members making the claim of the incident with german players as Durallan describes

[sapi]

Thanks; I'll have a read later.

In the mean time, I'm sure none of us here want this thread to mirror the .com in tems of CA bashing ~

[Rhedd]

You know what would be neat?

An offical statement from CA would be neat.

Wouldn't that be neat?

I try to be patient and not complain, but I'm starting to wonder which orifice their collective head is up.

To be fair, though, If the patch HAS been delayed AGAIN at the last minute, I'd be hiding under my desk instead of posting, if I were them. ^_^

[alpaca]

Thanks; I'll have a read later.

In the mean time, I'm sure none of us here want this thread to mirror the .com in tems of CA bashing ~

Why not
I mean, it's their official forums, after all.

Anyways, if it's really "crashing the game every time" as somebody claimed this really makes me wonder if there's something afoot with the localisation, because such a thing ould have been caught in testing otherwise - or the QA is really completely useless, which I refuse to believe

[FactionHeir]

Yeah, I don't know how official the mirror sites' disclosures are but I would think that they are for real. Its not the 1st anymore anyway.

Btw, where was my hammer?


[edit]
alpaca, CA usually tests only by using auto resolve for battles so it could be easily missed by them :p


[edit2]
Anyone taking bets that someone - anyone - told their girlfriend that they would be busy this extended weekend and are now hitting their heads on their tables that the patch won't be out till after? :D

[Odin]

alpaca, CA usually tests only by using auto resolve for battles so it could be easily missed by them :p

If thats true (I am hoping your smiley face is an indication you are joking) thats perhaps the most disturbing thing I have heard regarding MTW2 in some time.

However, there is nothing official from CA or Sega, except that the patch will be released today. Until I see something from them Im not banking on the word of a few misc posters.

[FactionHeir]

If thats true (I am hoping your smiley face is an indication you are joking) thats perhaps the most disturbing thing I have heard regarding MTW2 in some time.

However, there is nothing official from CA or Sega, except that the patch will be released today. Until I see something from them Im not banking on the word of a few misc posters.

There was a post about it from a reputable source (was it Lusted?) in an older topic discussing the shield bug and how it was missed.

[alpaca]

There was a post about it from a reputable source (was it Lusted?) in an older topic discussing the shield bug and how it was missed.

The shield bug is far more subtle than a CTD though. You only notice it first as a balancing issue.

Anyways, gamestar.de (the site of the magazine that first had a preview for Kingdoms) also claims that the patch will be delayed, so I guess we'll have to wait another week.
Oh well, back to modding then

Edit:

Aus dem Oster-Update wird ein Nachoster-Update: Publisher Sega hat uns gerade darüber informiert, dass der angekündigte zweite Patch für Medieval 2 heute nicht offiziell veröffentlicht wird. Die Testabteilung hat nach intensiven Tests einen schwerwiegenden Fehler gefunden, der dazu führt, dass das Spiel unweigerlich abstürzt. Jetzt müssen die Programmierer erst einmal auf Fehlersuche gehen. Deswegen gibt es auch noch keinen neuen Termin für den Medieval-2-Patch. Da die Warnung jetzt recht kurzfristig gekommen ist, kann es sein, dass der fehlerhafte Patch auf einige Webseiten gelangt. Man sollte ihn aber wegen des Fehlers nicht installieren.

Translation (freely translated by myself):
SEGA just informed us that the promised second patch for M2 won't be officially released today.
After thorough testing, the QA department found a fatal error that leads to an inevitable crash. Now the programmers will have to look for bugs first, so there's no new deadline for the patch. Since the warning came at very short notice, it may be that the erroneous patch will be available at some websites. Because of the before-mentioned bug, you shouldn't install it, though.

[Discoman]

Geez, I've been waiting since they first announced the new patch. It's sad to see that I need to install the patch to isntall the game. RTW was nice and ready from the get go, honestly the 1.2 patch for it had like 3 minor fixes. I can't say I'm not angry about this, honestly it's like getting a gift early then having the giver saying you can't open it until they say so, the only think you can do is peak inside and see the potential of what could be.

[sapi]

Odin, I agree with you there - we've just got to wait for an official response before giving credit to the rumours.

I really can't see how a bug like this could have been missed in testing, so maybe it is only a localisation issue as has been suggested.

EDIT: @FactionHeir - that was different. Somehow

[Odin]

I really can't see how a bug like this could have been missed in testing, so maybe it is only a localisation issue as has been suggested.

I suspect your correct, all the info coming into the offical forums is related to a german release of the patch.

[Durallan]

well its 10pm here in South Aus, so I'd say that the CA guys are getting ready for bed, or still in their office code crunching. Either way I hope they and everyone else has a good easter break :)

[frogbeastegg]

From the .com:

Hi all.

Well, what an interesting 12 hours we've had!

You've seen threads and word is spreading that there is something going on with the patch. So, here's the official word.

We've been testing the life out of this patch for days and days and at the eleventh hour some bugs have come up that we simply cannot fix in the time allowed.

After extensive testing of the patch, the Sega QA department discovered late last night that there may still be some unresolved issues in the final build of the patch. Specifically we are focussing on the Battle AI causing us concern under certain conditions. They are also investigating a potential crash bug that may have crept into the code, that is as yet, unverified. QA have requested extra time to verify this with the CA team in Australia; so we can fully regress the bugs in tandem with their QA department and rectify any issues with the code.

Given the level of chat and comments that you guys are good enough to send us, we are aware of the anticipation you guys have but we would consider it unforgiveable if we were to release a patch knowing that there are a number of potential issues with it.. Therefore, given the choice of two evils, we've taken the one that we hope will at least indicate some sensitivity to you guys and your expectations.

In conjunction with this we've also seen that a version of the patch is doing the rounds. This is a good old fashioned leak - we've tried to plug all gaps but owing to a less than secure url being held by one of our file mirrors, some of you guys have been clever enough to find a backdoor and grab the patch.

Kudos to you for your ingenuity, but be aware that this is not the release patch and CA and SEGA are not supporting this. This is not an official release and it is the very same patch that has the bugs mentioned above.

We're wise enough to know that this file is being distributed and how futile it would be to try and stop it. Canute couldn't stop the sea and we can't stop the internet, so we're not silly enough to think that we can stop it's spread.

So, well done to those who found it but please recognise that we think there are problems and we cannot support it.

If you feel inclined to grab this file, it's up to you and if you have feedback we'd be silly not to listen - but keep in mind that we think it's flawed so make your own decision.

We want to apologise - we've been wiping egg off our faces all morning and so we throw ourselves at the mercy of you guys in the hope that you'll understand. We understand your disappointment - we're disappointed too - so stay with us while we try and fix things.

[Andres]

In the mean time, I'm sure none of us here want this thread to mirror the .com in tems of CA bashing ~

Well, I think you know me as a calm and friendly personality by now, but it is getting really really hard to resist...



On a positive note: I'll be able to enjoy our week-end in the Ardens now, since I wont be walking around thinking about playing the finally fixed M2TW. My wife will be very happy. Thank you for making my wife happy CA

[pike master]

i would say that it is fixed but the entire game was balanced around it so the shield units wouldnt be overpowered. only way to find out is when the modders work with it.

[FactionHeir]

i would say that it is fixed but the entire game was balanced around it so the shield units wouldnt be overpowered. only way to find out is when the modders work with it.

Makes you wonder what they'll do to demi lancers or broken lances then who due to fixing the shield bug would be utterly useless especially as a late game only unit.

[Stig]

In the mean time, I'm sure none of us here want this thread to mirror the .com in tems of CA bashing ~

I try to learn the kids some lessons, but they won't listen

[sapi]

I know - I'm reading the thread

The only time I'll ever bother reading the .com

[Carl]

@Sapi: Thanks for that. I thought the "4 Torrents" refereed to the number of people that would be accessed, not the search programs that look for the people with the files.

Thanks again for the explanation.

Considering the 2-hander bug is animation based and CA have confirmed animations have no effect in auto-calc, so to check their handy-work they would have to play some actual battles. But they probably only did siege battles when they altered something that specifically effects siege battles. SO it could easily have been missed if they did all the siege changes first.

EDIT:Thanks FrogBeastEgg for that quote. Any idea how long it's going to be delayed yet then?