Patch 1.2 Release/Delay Discussion

[Odin]

there has been lots of unofficial chatter that the leaked patch when applied over 1.0 works just fine.

I just stopped at the official forums and dont have time to pull through the 15 more pages of posts since I last checked....

Has anyone confirmed officially that the leaked patch when applied over 1.0 works fine?

[Gaius Terentius Varro]

After installing the patch properly i got completelly different game. Everything works and I am loving it: The so called missing units lol they took AWAY sargeant spearmen for England an i fully agree. Sorry CA for being a whiner- again

[NagatsukaShumi]

Considering the expansion:

I realy hope that no one here will buy it... cause thats the only way we can influence Sega and CA!!!
We must demand, that if we pay good € fro a game it must meet the standards!!!
We deserve it!!

Bojkot CA and Sega!!!!

Why do that? Do you know if Kingdoms will be buggy, or are you presuming Kingdoms will be buggy? Please read about the leaked patch, it fixes alot of problems and as TB666 has said, it is actually pretty damn good, if a leaked patch is "all that" I am sure the final patch will be just as good.

Yes it would be nice if games were released without problems, fact is it won't ever happen, budget and just general human nature will dictate otherwise.

Some interesting facts, I have spoken to people who work in the games industry on feedback weeks at my University (I am doing a Games Design course....oh how I look forward to community relations ) and there are some reasons as to why they don't get involved in the community at times.

1) They just don't have time, they are very busy, usually looking at ironing out problems.

2) They don't want to get involved in a flame war, they don't like to be targeted purely because they were nice enough to offer an explanation and work for the company. They are still human after all!

I respect that its annoying as a gamer to recieve games that aren't perfect or near perfect, but its just the same as being a football fan, its very annoying to get a team thats not good enough etc etc. Windows has had problems, I know plenty of people who still use it though. I doubt we will ever see a time where we get flawless games in our lifetime.

I understand the frustration, but maybe people need to understand that CA are indeed just people and there is no need to flame them as SOME people have done, thankfully most have being engaging their brain before typing.

[Generals_Bodyguard]

Yes, everything is working as it should be.
Just read my long report above.

hmmm....then i truly have to offer everyone my apologies for jumping to conclusions there..I will edit my post big time man..i thought i had it figured there..i guess we'll never know then until someone from CA or SEGA sez something...this makes it even more confusing then coz u are one of the rare ones...but it is possible because of all the post asking ppl to uninstall 1.1, ppl are perhaps not trying a 'proper' copy on 1.1.

hmmmm...sorry

[Gaius Terentius Varro]

I got a totally messed up game when i installed over 1.1 and working one on a clean (1.0) install. It took 5 times as long for the patch to install itself when i installed over 1.0

[TB666]

hmmm....then i truly have to offer everyone my apologies for jumping to conclusions there..I will edit my post big time man..i thought i had it figured there..i guess we'll never know then until someone from CA or SEGA sez something...this makes it even more confusing then coz u are one of the rare ones...but it is possible because of all the post asking ppl to uninstall 1.1, ppl are perhaps not trying a 'proper' copy on 1.1.

hmmmm...sorry

No need to say sorry.
It's a good tip for those that do have trouble with the game.

[Generals_Bodyguard]

Hi this is my first post. I just like to get rid of some misconceptions:

1) There is no good and bad patch. All the patches are the same.

2) All patches are the same size the confusion is between bytes and Megabytes coz ppl to think there are some of different size.

3)because of 2. the patch is NOT leaked.the problem is not caused of a leaked hotseat version patch.As i said all versions are the same and SEGA was the one that uploaded them to the sites.Hence technically it is not leaked (unlike the Half Life 2 saga).

4)The patch out now can only be installed unto M2TW 1.0.It will not work with M2TW 1.1.

Due to all this coming to the fore at the last minute. I would like to state that i am a little dissapointed that SEGA refused to tell us the real problem with the patch and blamed it on possibly bad upload...corrupted they say..I ask you if it is corrupted how can the patch be installed in the first place...It is completely fine on M2TW1.0.

This is clearly a big boo boo they made and are not admitting. They overlooked update from 1.1 which is unthinkable. ALtough someone has officially said it was their mistake.However he was not really forthcoming on exactly why and what was their mistake.Then they went on to say they were pressured by the fans to realease it fast.WHatever it is i believe the fans deserve to know the truth. The truth that someone in the technical side or QA overlooked a huge thing and not corruption during upload. I am pretty sure they knew what the exact problem is when they made the official statement which was like very long after the patch came out.

Inspite of this, i think SEGA was just being careful when they said they were not gonna support anyone using this patch. Firstly the oficial posts were made from their non technical staff. So he couldnt guarentee those using this version will not have problem if say u update it to 1.3 or for the expansion later. Even if the official patch will essentially be the same thing, i think to avoid compatibility issues in the future, everyone should reinstall the new official patch when it cones out.

PS This is not a rant..this is possibly the truth that are are not admitting because they dont want u guys to use the patch out now.

4)The patch out now can only be installed unto M2TW 1.0.It will not work with M2TW 1.1.

the point above cannot be confirmed yet as there has been reports of 1.2 wroking with M2TW1.1.However if u do have problem with the patch, then u should install it on a clean copy.

The actual reason for the problem of 1.2 cannot be speculated yet. I offer my apology for my hasty conclusion to this debacle. However i still think SEGA has to tell us the truth once the reason for the problem is known.

[whodat]

Well, being the sucker that I am, I cleared the decks so as to have this weekend to play with the new patch. It's too cold to take the kids fishing, no football on TV, I am not really worried about having to reinstall the vanilla, and i don't want to wait another week or so. Is there still a link to the unofficial patch floating around in the ether?

[Lusted]

It looks like the problem may lie in the installer as it works fine for some and not for others. Probably only found it out at the last minute when a tester who must have installed it got the siege CTD, and would explain why the CA guy said the patch was working for him but not for others.

[Generals_Bodyguard]

It looks like the problem may lie in the installer as it works fine for some and not for others. Probably only found it out at the last minute when a tester who must have installed it got the siege CTD, and would explain why the CA guy said the patch was working for him but not for others.

Lusted TB688 has said his 1.2 worked fine on 1.1. Could it mean than that there is a good and a bad patch????

[Lusted]

No, i just think the installers a bit messed up and mostly works but sometimes doesn't.

[Heledir]

So now that the patch has been delayed again do we know when its expected?

[Barkhorn1x]

Being upset and disappointed is perfectly understandable. However, ranting does no one any good and just makes the situation worse.

CA/Sega deserve a HEAVY dose of criticism for:
- Releasing a buggy game in the first place
- Pimping an expansion before they even bother to fix the problems w/ the initial release
- Botching the long awaited patch at the 11th hour

...and how does ranting make the situation worse anyway? We still don't have the patch - which puts a crimp in my weekend plans, BTW. And they are still going to release it - at some point - despite what is written in this forum.


Large gaming companies these days are just awful. We have this debacle and if any of play SHIV by UBI then you know what an unfinished buggy mess that release was (and still is as it is pending a 1.2 patch)

[TeutonicKnight]

Does anyone have a link to this leaked version of the patch? :)

Or has all trace of it been zapped?

[Lusted]

There is a torrent of it doing the rounds.

[Barkhorn1x]

Why do that? Do you know if Kingdoms will be buggy, or are you presuming Kingdoms will be buggy? Please read about the leaked patch, it fixes alot of problems and as TB666 has said, it is actually pretty damn good, if a leaked patch is "all that" I am sure the final patch will be just as good.

Hmmm...believe you are missing the key point here. Patch 1.2 is a PATCH! It - allegedly - fixes many things that should not have been broken in the first place. And we have waited MONTHS for it to appear.

Given the history of CA and the last 3 Total War releases who in their right mind would NOT assume that Kingdoms will be buggy?

[Lusted]

Of course it'll hve bugs, all games have bugs and it is an impossibility to have a bug free game.

Will it be less buggy than M2Tw was at release? Of course it will, what do you thin those patches are?

[FactionHeir]

I wonder since people are installing it over 1.0 whether 1.2 includes the fixes of 1.1 at all that way?

[pike master]

from what ive heard the pikes visual animation bug was not fixed and their is no definite improvement in their perfomance. noting i said definite.

can someone verify this?

the visual animation bug being that they dont appear to have the pikes lowered a few moments before contact when in fact they are lowered.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Hmmm...believe you are missing the key point here. Patch 1.2 is a PATCH! It - allegedly - fixes many things that should not have been broken in the first place. And we have waited MONTHS for it to appear.

Given the history of CA and the last 3 Total War releases who in their right mind would NOT assume that Kingdoms will be buggy?

Yes it is a patch, and I assure you I have missed absolutely nothing. As I intend to get a job in the industry I have a little more sympathy for those who work in it than the regular gamer.

It won't be 100% bug free, but to assume it'll be broken and worthless like SOME have done is a little bit daft.

You may have waited months for a patch, but so have I, yet I don't have any reservations with CA. I can wait, people need to do the same, yes I spent 40 quid on it, but their are already mods out there which improve its playability, why not give those a whirl in the mean time.

Yes, they missed their deadline, the only mistake CA have made here was by setting a release date for the patch. If you think TW is always going to be buggy, simply don't purchase it until you hear feedback on it from others. Football Manager is often buggy, I RARELY see the same reaction from that community, and they have had far worse problems than these on there games.

[gruntfuttock]

Can anyone with the patch say whether pre-patch saved games work with the patch?
Just a simple yes or no will do, but please don't answer if you have no patch/idea.

[gardibolt]

Does the patch fix the ballista/cannon tower screwup?

[Loki]

Can anyone confirm or deny if the patch (such as it is right now) is save game/campaign compatable?!?!?



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[Tran]

Yeah, I would like to know the save game compability too. Someone please test and confirm? Gaius perhaps?

[Zenicetus]

Just wondering, (please flame my senselessness senseless for asking this) but is anyone prepared to pay for a patch? I once brought Soldiers: Heroes of WW2 for $NZ60, probably one of the most bugged games ever, but I loved it so much I paid $NZ30 for the re-released patched DVD version 3 years later - for a while, it was the only PC game my GF wanted to play...worth every cent of the $80, IMHO. (and I had to wait 3 years to play the game 'properly')
The relevance to MTW2 is I paid $NZ100 for a game I've so far loved to bits, five bucks for an even more fun version doesnt sound so bad, regardless of what the original intentions of the Dev's and Customers was.

No, I wouldn't pay for a patch, and I also resent game companies that release expansions that fix major bugs, without also releasing a patch that fixes bugs for the original release. So far CA hasn't done that, to my knowledge, but I've seen other companies do it.

What I would pay for, is a more expensive game up-front, if that higher cost meant the game company had enough extra man-hours to properly develop and test a polished product. Heck, I'd pay $100 for a new game if it was really solid on release, and I didn't have to go through this process of play, get frustrated, shelve it while waiting for a patch, pick it up again 3 or 4 months later, try to remember the commands, etc.

Now, I know enough about software development to understand that throwing more money and/or people at a problem doesn't necessarily get things done faster. The real problem is rushed release schedules.... they just need to keep these things in the can for another 6 months. If a higher up-front cost for the game would help hold off the wolves in the accounting dept., I'd pay it.

[Barkhorn1x]

Sigh....too many prepared to forgive too much.

So perhaps all of you can forgive my oh too candid honesty. This will be the last post from me on the subject of CA dropping the ball bigtime. Odin stated it best methinks:

Essentially (and quite brilliantly) the gaming industry has set up conditions where the end user pays for a product before its finished, and helps to finish the game themselves. its a great business model, for the dev/publisher, why wouldnt they continue this business model?

One reason, the consumer no longer supports the process with thier purchase.

[Babblearossa]

Does anyone have a link to this leaked version of the patch? :)

Or has all trace of it been zapped?

The torrent posted earlier in this thread, about page 6, has plenty of peers for reasonable speed d'loading. And I'm quite pleased with CA for their statement about not trying to stop the circulation of the pre-release patch, to me it seems a nice solution for the snafu and this long easter weekend.

Yeah it's not supported and I'll muck about a bit uninstalling/re-installing but considering the amount of time I spend playing this game the install time is nill. Hopefully I'll have time to get slaughtered due to new battle behaviors over the weekend and start a new long campaign when the official comes out and I can hold my own again :)

[nickwwest]

Here (again) is the link to download the torrent file, as stated before is patch is not supported by CA/SEGA, use at your own risk:

URLs to come, my first post can't be helpful I guess


So if you're still confused:
1. DL & install utorrent
2. DL the .torrent file
3. "run" the .torrent file to get it to start DLing in utorrent. Also if you are using a hardware firewall you'll need to ensure that the utorrent port is forwarding properly.

[nickwwest]

Here are the URLs:


http://www.gortosch.homeip.net/MIITW...GS.exe.torrent

And if you need a program to DL torrents I use uTorrent:

http://www.utorrent.com/

[Durallan]

No, I wouldn't pay for a patch, and I also resent game companies that release expansions that fix major bugs, without also releasing a patch that fixes bugs for the original release. So far CA hasn't done that, to my knowledge, but I've seen other companies do it.

What I would pay for, is a more expensive game up-front, if that higher cost meant the game company had enough extra man-hours to properly develop and test a polished product. Heck, I'd pay $100 for a new game if it was really solid on release, and I didn't have to go through this process of play, get frustrated, shelve it while waiting for a patch, pick it up again 3 or 4 months later, try to remember the commands, etc.

Now, I know enough about software development to understand that throwing more money and/or people at a problem doesn't necessarily get things done faster. The real problem is rushed release schedules.... they just need to keep these things in the can for another 6 months. If a higher up-front cost for the game would help hold off the wolves in the accounting dept., I'd pay it.

you better be talking $100 australian dollars, their aint no way in hell I'm paying 130-150 AUD for a bug free game, even if its a bug free game.