Update 2 Released!

[FactionHeir]

Not experience per se, but certainly insight. We knew 2H units would be horribly underpowered by the fixing of the shield bug, because they do not have shields and thus do not benefit from the fix. For those not aware, the shield bug fix represents for most shield users a +12 effective shift in defense, which is why you see comparatively neutered 2H units. The most obvious fix would be to raise their attack stat accordingly, restoring their ability to carve up S&S units at about the same effective level as before. Something in the +8 to +12 range would probably put their effectiveness against shield units back to about the pre-1.2 level. However this is probably not the best solution, as it also restores the high kill rates in the 2H vs S&S matchup, not to mention making 2H units even more insane against non-shielded troops. In all though they quickly dispatch non-shield troops in any case, so the potential drawback of high attack stat buffing may not be that harsh after all - it remains to be seen.

Quite true. Boosting attack might be the best method as the effect tends to level off at higher att vs def.
I'm actually also worried about the late non shielded cav that has a lower armour/defense value than the shielded earlier cav mainly because CA thought while balancing that they seemed better somehow (due to shield bug) Now that that's fixed, there's hardly any point in getting the late cav units anymore.

[dopp]

Rebalancing mods are in order then. Can't expect CA to bugfix AND rebalance in one patch.

[Foz]

Rebalancing mods are in order then. Can't expect CA to bugfix AND rebalance in one patch.

Quite. They're already in the works, apparently. Carl recently posted that he was downloading the patch and would be working on 1.2 versions of his mod files in the next 24-48 hours IIRC, and Lusted already has posted LTC files for v1.2.

[Ulstan]

Quite. They're already in the works, apparently. Carl recently posted that he was downloading the patch and would be working on 1.2 versions of his mod files in the next 24-48 hours IIRC, and Lusted already has posted LTC files for v1.2.

Awesome. You balance modders rock :)

And thanks to CA for fixing the bugs!

[Heledir]

I'm gonna have to assume that the "Unspecified Error CTD" comes about from having modded files because after an uninstall, reinstall, patched to 1 then patched to 2, and remodded the Descr_Strat the game runs fine... I'm just speculating though...

[Doug-Thompson]

Fußball and Foz' points about two-handers holds true for Eastern Halbred Infantry, which die so horribly to knights that raising their attack wouldn't do much good there. They die too quickly. Checking on other units.

[Shahed]

Thanks for the replies FuBball, Doug and Foz.

This is what I was expecting. As I mentioned in earlier threads, that a stat rebalance will be necessary after 1.20 to make the game work as intended. I'm waiting for PureFixer 1.14 before I do anything with 1.20.

In Fixer 1.13 I felt the 2H were a little too strong. They were the ultimate infantry in most cases. I think a minor downward stat change vis a vis Fixer 1.13 would improve them in Fixer 1.14. A stat change in the range of +7 to +11 perhaps, perhaps a little less. It would have to be experimented with.

Having said all that I LOVE 2H units. They are beyond cool.

Salute !

[Nellup]

At last, the new patch, now I can spend hours playing M2TW instead of checking to see if the patch has been released....


Nellup

[Doug-Thompson]

Notably, Egyptian halbreds do much better against infantry if they are in loose formation.

Egyptians vs. English Dismounted feudal knights (sword and spear), normal settings, grassy plains, 1 to 1 frontal, both in close formation. English win with 53 men left to 12 Egyptians remaining.

Same situation, halbs in loose order and English still in close: Egyptians win wtih 28 men remaining to 24 for English. English morale broke before their leader was killed.

[Shahed]

Interesting. Did you run the test a few times (e.g 3 or 4) to compare results ?
I think that test in itself says a lot, but just wondering what a sample sequence test result would be.

[Packet]

Using gamershell, no reg req UK mirror, 45 mins.

Woot!

http://www.gamershell.com/download_19011.shtml

This says EU patch. Are there two patches for Europe and US?

[Doug-Thompson]

Interesting. Did you run the test a few times (e.g 3 or 4) to compare results ?
I think that test in itself says a lot, but just wondering what a sample sequence test result would be.

Just tried it once. There's a lot more work to be done on this topic.

I never can tell how much animation has to do with the results. It may be nothing, but I tried loose formation because it sure didn't look like the halbreds had enough room to make a good swing. That's probably totally irrelevant. I'll do a few 1 to 1's tonight and average the results.

[dopp]

Infantry in defensive formation doesn't attack and is defeated easily, part of the reason why spearmen suffer against swords.

[sapi]

This says EU patch. Are there two patches for Europe and US?

I don't think so, no

[Handel]

Infantry in defensive formation doesn't attack and is defeated easily, part of the reason why spearmen suffer against swords.

The spearmen *must* suffer against sword/shield combo. In reality the spearmen were the cheapest troops just a little better then the lowly peasants. A spearmen is helpless against a sword/shield combo.

[Foz]

Thoughts on the loose formation thing: perhaps by spreading the unit out further, you dampen the impact of the enemy's charge. Their charge imprint is the same each time, but you (by spreading out) are putting less men inside that imprint, and thus more survive. At the same time, the enemy infantry must cover some ground to get to most of your remaining soldiers, which may mean the greater reach of the halberds gives you the first attack most of the time in the general melee. If your unit was tightly packed, it's more likely enemy infantry would already be close enough to yours after the charge to just start swinging away.

[Shahed]

Good observation.

[Zajuts149]

Just one word: Woot!

A few more words: I uninstalled and reinstalled, remembering to copy my modded files first. Ran the new patch over 1.0 and it worked like a charm. It took a while, but worth it. After I had confirmed that everything looked ok, I ran the unpacker, and replaced some of the files with my modded ones. Started a new campaign as England, and the first battle of York almost brought tears to my eyes: Armour glistening in the sun, I ran the entire battle at slow speed(0.3-0.4), and it was beautiful! In addition, the game must have recognized my newer, better graphics card, cause it ran with shadows and gore as default. Seeing Knights fighting with blood spattered armour was almost too fantastic! When will we get the tools to make hsitoric battles and record them to watch afterwards?

[~Isabella of Castile~]

GamersHell refuses to load for me

[Wikiman]

Is there any news on the patch for steam users? I am still waiting for my game to be updated.

Shouldn't be too long...

-wikiman

[AnthoniusII]

As i wrote in other forums i have problem playing campaing in M2TW 1.2.The game freezes after the 1st turn on the 1st faction of the 2nd turn.Also freezes when after a succefull asault to a city when the game returns to campaing map to enter the city.I downloaded the paches 1.2 and 1.1 from the gamersshell uk link. Am i the only one with this problem?Was my fault not to errase the previus saves of 1.0 version?ANY idea what must i do?Please help i want to enjoy the new version!!!

[sapi]

You need to reinstall M2TW, this time not applying the 1.1 patch (ie patching straight to 1.2) and not using any mods or no-cd cracks.

[AnthoniusII]

You need to reinstall M2TW, this time not applying the 1.1 patch (ie patching straight to 1.2) and not using any mods or no-cd cracks.

OK but when i'm trying to install 1.2 i have a mesage that "previus versions required" what shall i do in this occation?

[sapi]

Are you trying to install on a freshly installed, legit copy of m2tw with no files edited and no cracks applied?

[dopp]

The spearmen *must* suffer against sword/shield combo. In reality the spearmen were the cheapest troops just a little better then the lowly peasants. A spearmen is helpless against a sword/shield combo.

Nono, they don't attack at all, or at a reduced rate. Worst offenders are pikemen, who just stand there and eventually lose against virtually anything (even cavalry). It's not a balance issue, but a behavior issue.

[AnthoniusII]

Are you trying to install on a freshly installed, legit copy of m2tw with no files edited and no cracks applied?

Directly from the CA cd 1st 1.1 then 1,2.When i see the version in the "option" it writes 1.02. Is that correct?I will reinstall the game 1st thing in the morning...Another isue,whille installing 1.2 patch in the time instaaled packs 1-4 insallation took a long time.Is that a bad sight?Any way thangs a lot for the help!!!!!

[sapi]

the last part (modifying packs 1-4) should take a long time.

The only thing I can guess at is that installing 1.1 first corrupted your patching process.

Might be worth a try doing the reinstallation thing, this time not applying 1.1...

[Dutch_guy]

Is there a list containing all the changes the patch made to the game ?

The gamershell download didn't include a readme...

[sapi]

There's a link to it in the launcher

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Here is the primary feature list for Update 2

1) The Launcher
2) Cinematic Editor
3) Battle Editor (now fully functional)


The list below is the list of fixes which have been resolved for Update 2

AI

Units do not clump together when told to complete a 180 degree turn.
Janissary Musketeers now fire consistently.
Enemy AI army formations in bridge battles now allow their own artillery to fire.
Enemy cannons do not fire at unbreakable walls.
Grouped archers out of ammo will attack enemy units in melee combat when ordered to do so.
AI does not deploy outside of enemy gates.
When defending an enemy settlement with multiple exits, taking your army out of the side/back door does not make it easier to defeat the enemy.
Siege AI is not passive.
Cavalry can now charge a spearman army.
General's bodyguard unit now marches correctly outside castles.
AI now effectively assaults 2nd tier of a Fortress.
Sallying AI army now reacts properly to being assaulted from 2 sides
Attacking Siege AI concentrates on taking the settlement rather than chasing down units outside the settlement.
Generals are now more effective at chasing down routing units.
Enemy AI reacts to being bombarded with Trebuchets while inside a settlement.
Siege AI now more difficult to defeat if player places missile units outside the walls.
AI controls it units more effectively in a Citadel
AI artillery more decisive in its positioning
Remaining AI army now advances to use siege equipment
AI Cavalry can now flank a Spear Wall
AI now responds to missiles when sieging settlements
AI now crosses bridges to attack
AI responds more quickly to gates that have been opened by Spies (while sieging).
Units do not break formation when chasing routers
Enemy AI effectively attacks when player's units in a settlement square
Enemy AI now utilises spare rams
Improved enemy AI response to stakes
Shortened Siege attack timers
Enemy AI will no-longer send out General's bodyguard on a suicide mission while defending
Diplomacy

Improved responses to monetary offers
Bribery attempts do not always fail after an unsuccessful first attempt
Diplomatic 'Just Rejected' response no-longer to 'Not Interested' response to counter-offer, no matter how generous
Aztecs now appear in the correct year (for diplomacy actions)
Generals in a Crusade do not get inquisition
Improved diplomacy mechanic - AI Factions now stick with alliances and/or attack 'more intelligently'
Crash

Soft-locks in MP Lobby no-longer occur
Host random hangs fixed
Resolved issue with client CTD when host ends game that client is joining
Auto-resolve Siege battle hangs fixed
Siege tower catching fire no-longer causes random hangs
Random hangs after loading Campaign save game
Pathfinding

Battering Rams no-longer stuck in gates
Ship movement area fixed
Ram crew no-longer stuck between rams
Northern European Castle terrain fixed to allow docking of towers
Improved use of ladders
Southern European Fortress wall fixed to allow docking of towers
Improved the way units use Way-points
Siege of Setenil slow-down tweaked
Units no-longer become stuck on canyon walls on 'Canyon' map
Units do not ascend/descend invisible ladders
Units do not get stuck on Siege towers
Cavalry pathfinding improved when sallying out from a Fortress
Bridge battle pathfinding improved (units do not constantly reform)
Citadel and Fortress paths fixed so that units can avoid assaulting inner walls
Breach pathfinding tweaked
Combat

Enemy spearmen do not charge with raised spears
2H axemen attack tweaked, inc. Attacking Cavalry
Defending units can no-longer enter a siege tower as soon as it docks with the walls
Mechanics

Mouse Cursor position now updates when scrolling with the arrow keys.
Assassination exploit fixed.
Mission "Reinforce Region" now functions correctly
Attacking an enemy army from inside a sieged settlement no-longer causes the enemy to lose all built siege equipment
Fixed two family members (brothers) with the exact same name
Rudder event now triggers at the correct time
When an enemy sallies and is defeated you no-longer have to wait for the timer to run out in-order to win.
Assassin mechanics tweaked
Mercenary recruitment tweaked
Diplomatic Information scroll updates correctly.
Online replays now match
Slowdown fixed on Desert Sanctuary
Metallic Resource now support Mines
Cavalry charges do not fail when charging skirmishing/moving units or if a knight is out of position
Units can now withdraw on the Eifel Mountains Battle Map
Construction queue exploits fixed
The carroccio standard can now fit through the gate on a sally out battle.
Southern European > Fortress: routing Enemy AI now leaving the map
Printing press event triggers at the correct time
Ladder docking/undocking tweaked
Faction standings tweaked
Priests no-longer convert to heretics if travelling on a fleet
Upper limit added on how long units stay in loose formation for.
Traits/VnV triggers tweaked
Camera

Camera height does not drop under bridge in River Po Custom Battle map.
Camera does not drop below water's surface in Palm Beach, Andalusia and Italian Wars map/scenarios.
Camera does not show the underneath of a bridge when General is killed on the bridge
Controls

Drag Deploy functionality tweaked
RTS camera functionality tweaked
Graphics

Princess character now greyed out upon death on Family tree
Venice battlemap ambient building placement tweaked
Fixed issue with trees disappearing when panning camera
Added paths to doorways in Southern European Large City
Added paths to doorways in Southern European City
Fixed minor lighting issue in Southern European City
Fixed misaligned platforms in Southern European Large Town
Tweaked Crusade Army banner
Fixed texture gaps and unwelded verts on Middle Eastern Huge City buildings.
Fixed incorrect Tower Path in Mesoamerican City
Fixed path through wall in Mesoamerican City Wall
Fixed floating buildings above the battle map in Aztec Gold Scenario
Fixed floating spikes in Mountain Redoubt scenario
Added correct image for Paladin ancillary
Fixed grey reinforcement area that states that 'This army cannot fight in night battles' even though the current battle is not a night battle.
Added correct image for Aztec Rebel - Native Archer
Added correct image for Aztec Spearmen
Fixed floating torches in SE Citadel courtyard
Garrison quarters no-longer change to Town Guard when in Construction queue
Armoury building image in construction queue no-longer changes to an armoury
Fixed issue with Trebuchets sometimes disappearing when zooming in close
Fixed maps have the winter option but don’t have winter texture on the battle map
Night attack selection tick and reinforcements do not disappear if user selects night attack option and then views enemy army details.
Fixed officers not animating while riding
Removed trees in the water in The Battle of Otumba.
Deployment

Units can no-longer be deployed on inaccessible sections of wall
Fixed deployment issues with Southern European Wooden Castle on either side of the main gate.
Units no-longer deployable in buildings in Mesoamerican City
Collision

Ballista collision improved
Southern European Citadel gate collision improved
Middle Eastern Gatehouse collision improved
Issues with units getting pushed into areas that can't be deployed into.
Battle Editor/Cinematic Editor

Numerous issues with both editors fixed and improved so that they can be released for public use.
UI

Mission scroll hotkey added
Financial Details hotkey functionality and tooltip added
Reveal/Advance advice hotkey functionality added
Battle Tutorial Dismiss advice functionality added
Magnifying glass added to Disaster Strikes scroll
Princess appears correctly on family tree
Chat Window errors fixed
Family Tragedy scroll triggered correctly
Console text appearance tweaked
Now possible to launch game from autorun launcher
Fine Grain time control added (accessible by holding Shift and clicking + and - on battle UI)
Save/Load

Loading saved game of the same turn no-longer allows user to keep both allies when they declare war
Russian and Czech autosave fixed
Audio

Movement_Embark speech now triggered correctly
Allies breaking through gates of citadel now triggers correct speech
Battle ending in draw when timer runs out now triggers correct speech
Campaign Map interface sounds added
End Turn sound now fades out nicely
Win/Lose music is now representative of the Faction
Enemy King killed speech now triggered
Enemy Reinforcements arrive speech now triggered correctly
Player Army Tired Battle Event Speech is now triggered.
Player Army Half Gone Battle Event Speech is now triggered.
Enemy Army Half Gone Battle Event Speech is now triggered.
Player Under Attack Idle Battle Event Speech is now triggered.
Player Winning Combat Battle Event Speech now triggered correctly.
Player Losing Combat Battle Event Speech now triggered correctly.
Leaves Fleet speech now triggered correctly.
Player Tide Of Battle Up Battle Event Speech now triggered correctly.
Player Tide Of Battle Down Battle Event Speech now triggered correctly.
Muslim Enemy General Killed Battle Event Speech now triggered correctly.
Christian Enemy General Killed Battle Event Speech now triggered correctly.
Allied General Captured Battle Event Speech now triggered correctly.
The "spy infiltrated our settlement" audio/speech is now played when "Start battle" is pressed during cutscene
Correct region music plays when loading a saved campaign game.
Added sound trigger for planting archer stakes in ground.
Clicked-on characters on the Campaign Map no-longer stack their audio response if clicked multiple times.
In the Historical battles, Battle of Otumba and the Battle of Hastings the music speeds up when you attack
Other minor audio tweaks also carried out.
Text

Minor grammar/spelling errors fixed

[FactionHeir]

Note the feature list does not include fixed items such as shield bug, tower bug and antitraits, even though they have been fixed too. Maybe too embarrassing to list?