getting swordsmith hq and master

**Jones_of_NY** · 05-12-2007, 22:44

Iv become obsessed with getting silver chevron cav early game by stacking cav exp guild bonuses. Playing as sicily i decided that getting a hq in bologna, a master in florence, and a st johns hq in milan would be a quick and cheap way to get that(st johns as opposed to comparatively expensive horse breeders). After a while though i began to suspect you cant obtain a swordsmith hq and master. Bologna got the swordsmith hq, milan had the st johns hq but florence never got past basic swordsmith guild, despite being a citadel and me building dis. norman knights 3 a turn for a long time. Does me disbanding the dis. norman knights after they are built have something to do with it? I was doing that in bologna as well and that didnt seem to hurt. What is it? Can you not have a swordsmith HQ and a swordsmith master without conquering a city with a master already?

**Shahed** · 05-12-2007, 23:36

Originally Posted by Jones_of_NY

Bologna got the swordsmith hq, ....but florence never got past basic swordsmith guild, despite being a citadel and me building dis. norman knights 3 a turn for a long time. Does me disbanding the dis. norman knights after they are built have something to do with it? What is it? Can you not have a swordsmith HQ and a swordsmith master without conquering a city with a master already?

Hi & Welcome to the org !

It is only possible to have ONE HQ for any guild for ALL factions, and ONE Master for any one faction. Do you already have a Master somewhere else ? You can have both, you do not need to conquer a city which already has it, but doing that is usually a plus. Disbanding does'nt affect guild points in any way.

**Jones_of_NY** · 05-13-2007, 00:14

Thx for the prompt response. No, i dont have a master somewhere else, but im begining to think i hit the rumoured guild limit. I had 13 provinces at the time and shortly after getting the hq in bologna i accepted a ton of merchant guilds. So im thinking that if there is a guild cap (10 or proportionate to provinces like generals are the two theories iv read) i may have hit it. Im gonna reload an earlier save and refuse guilds to see if i can get my master and hq then.

**Shahed** · 05-13-2007, 00:17

Pleasure.

That could be it. Generally I don't accept any offers I don't need/want, so I have'nt run into that problem myself.

**FactionHeir** · 05-13-2007, 02:08

You can only have 1 master per faction and 1 hq overall.
The only way to get a hq and a master (or more) is by getting a master first and capturing a town that has a hq or having a hq and capturing a town that has a master.
The reason it is so, is that a hq also counts as a master, so if you have a hq, you won't get any offers for master.