Heroic Victory

**cutepuppy** · 05-18-2007, 19:09

Originally Posted by Durallan

One time as denmark I had one hell of a battle against the Timurids, 4 of their armies against 3 of mine, and one of mine was late arriving! it was a bloody battle, in the end, I managed to win, but I didn't get a battle marker on the campaign map!

(on this day the fields would have been stained red from all the fallen men on the battle map you could see.)

I was really annoyed about it not showing a battle marker, because you can't get a bigger open field battle than one like that against the timurids and somehow manage to win

Not the size of the opposing forces is important, only the odds and the outcome of a battle. I have had a heroic victory in a battle when i had only 1 unit of general bodyguard and the enemy one unit of dismounted feudal knights. The pre-battle screen favoured them a bit, but my initial charge killed their captain and half of the unit and they routed. I lost 1 man, they were annihilated. So i got a heroic victory.
On other occasions, I had brutal, fight-to-the-last-man battles with slightly less than 1000 men on my side and about 1500 on the other side. i was victorious, but due to the many casualties on my side no heroic victory.

**TinCow** · 05-18-2007, 19:33

I think I read somewhere that they changed the requirements for the battle markers from RTW. It might now require that at least one side (both sides maybe?) have a significant percentage of their entire military fighting in the battle.

**Per Ole** · 05-18-2007, 21:31

I've gotten quite a few heroic battles both defending and attacking settlements. I'm a cheapskate, so I don't use much money on military forces, so I rely on superior technology and tactics instead of numbers. I don't think you can earn a map marker if you have around the same number of troops as your foe or more, cous I've never gotten even though I've had many heroic victories with them.

My most recent map marker that I remember is when fighting Byzantium yesterday; I besieged constantiople with some spear militia, ghazis, a general and some horse archers. I was outnumbered, but what the heck :P

Their emperor sallies (he was in Constantinople) and my chances for victory is bad (I had around 500 troops, he had around 1200 incl byzantine inf.) By the way, my difficulty for this campaign is Medium. So I fight the bastards and win, my horse archers devestates the battlefield and I kill every last one of them. Voilà! Jiihad compleated, sacked settlement for 16k, much experience and a the best faction heir I've ever had (He later became my current faction leader, and he's got full piety, 8 authority, full command and 4 chivalry)

That was a map marker, and now that I think about it I got one for a battle at the settlement west of constantinople 2 turns later (I besieged, enemy reenforcement army flank my besieging forces and I'm badly outnumbered, I win)

So they aren't *that* hard to come by, just do battles where you're outnumbered, prefferbly badly

**hisn00bness** · 05-19-2007, 01:06

You know that hill just west of Damascus?

My current Moorish general Salheddin the Horseman (His dad gotstuck there after a Jihad) has created about 5 sword crosses all around it from fighting superior Egyptian and Mongol armies.(9 command now rawr)

He is not using a 'significant part of my military' though; so I don't know about that; but these factors were present every time :

- 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 in battle ratio
- Heroic victory
- Very low casualties.
no battle had less than 2000 men fighting it (huge unit sizes)

**FactionHeir** · 05-19-2007, 01:22

Any ratio better than 1:1 (i.e. 1.01 : 1 counts, but is not displayed pre-battle) and not losing too many of your troops is required for a heroic victory. If you lose too many, you get clear, average or close.

No significant portion required. A lone general against a knight unit qualifies.

**Shahed** · 05-19-2007, 01:25

It has somerthing to do with enemy strength calculation as well, according to the autoresolve stats. I've killed peasant armies before and got nothing, 1 Bodyguard vs 600 rebels... not heroic ? Well it seems it is'nt for this game. However 1 Bodyguard vs 600 HRE of which 300 cavalry, 300 DGK => Heroic Victory. (exagerrated example)

There is a qualitative factor.