KotR Out of character thread VI

**AussieGiant** · 05-29-2007, 14:12

Originally Posted by Ituralde

I am really looking forward to the moment when Arnold will ascend to Duke of Austria. Will be interesting to see what will become of my precious Duchy.

Come on dad!! It'll be fine!! Unless Lothar distracts me with beer and women I'll take all that pent up dread and unleash it on the eastern kingdoms.

**FactionHeir** · 05-29-2007, 14:35

Ahhh thanks for the tip OK I didn't see his post in the diet.

**Stig** · 05-29-2007, 15:45

I do think Austria is getting a bit overcrowded when it gets it's 3 new electors. Compare it to Franconia, which only has 3, 1 of which is on Crusade.

I'd say everyone who signs up should sign up for a character instead of for a duchy. It's more important to fill the slots.

**FactionHeir** · 05-29-2007, 15:57

Considering that Austria is the main force for expansion eastwards (although Franconia has been doing that so far mainly) and most of the world we can expand towards is in the east, you'd expect people to want to sign up for Austria :p

**FactionHeir** · 05-29-2007, 22:26

I just had a look at the save and noticed something that also was the second piece of the puzzle I needed to confirm the exact origin of a hardcode trait bug. For details, check my latest post in the buglist.

As for what this means for this PBM, Peter von Kastilien came of age with a total negative piety that the game hardcode couldn't understand during creation and made it an overall positive permanently by giving +2 piety. As such, we can currently see the avatar with total 2 piety, which should be 0 (he does have ReligionStarter L1 and the tutor ancillary giving +4 piety total)
Now, since the hardcode gave him a permanent boost, we cannot remove it in any simple way. I can however recode a currently unused trait to subtract 2 piety as long as the trait is carried (which for him should be as long as he lives). Any objections?

**TinCow** · 05-29-2007, 22:32

Does he have the default 3 piety that all avatars should get on spawn? We had a period of time when new avatars did not receive this default level of piety (see Gerhard Steffen). If Peter von Kastilien does not have the default 3 piety, I say leave him be.

**FactionHeir** · 05-29-2007, 23:00

He does have the default piety. The only 2 who don't at the moment are Steffen and Günther I think.

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TC, I almost thought Günther had lost his somehow, but it seems the last few screens you took of him (since 1180) lack two traits: IndecisiveAttacker and PublicAtheism. In 1220 he has 1 level in either. Before 1220 he had 2 levels in the former and 1 in the latter.

**Northnovas** · 05-30-2007, 02:27

Originally Posted by Stig

I do think Austria is getting a bit overcrowded when it gets it's 3 new electors. Compare it to Franconia, which only has 3, 1 of which is on Crusade.

There is a bit of irony in that statement and I was wondering if it would ever be true with 4 Electors and 1 Avatar since the start. I am sure the house and avatar will balance out. I would think any new player would want an avatar to play and not be concern about the House. However, the House of Austria does rock!

**TinCow** · 05-30-2007, 03:22

I am personally very pleased to see Austria as the new 'in' House. All the others have had their turn as the House of the moment and it's nice that Austria finally has the avatars to be able to reward their extremely patient players.

**econ21** · 05-30-2007, 11:39

I have a dumb question about Edict 9.3: if we reinforce an AI faction in a land battle, do we get to fight the battle manually or is it an autoresolve? This is a technical question about how M2TW works, not a question about what we would choose if given the choice.

I'll vote yes to the Edict on the assumption that we get the chance to fight manually; if it is autoresolve, I'll change my vote to no as I don't trust the autoresolve with our precious avatars.

BTW: on Edict 9.4, we have a spy right outside Stockholm (I wanted to see what kind of son wants to kill his own father). If the edict passes, someone could write a spy story straight away.

**StoneCold** · 05-30-2007, 11:59

I think it is still we are fighting it maually, but that is from RTW in the intro battle, with Juli reinforcing the Senate army. I think I fought one or two in SP campaign too. But no experience in M2TW.

**TinCow** · 05-30-2007, 12:07

It is a manual battle. It's easiest to achieve by finding an allied army in enemy territory and ending your turn next to that army or a target you think that army will attack (riskier ending it away form the allied army, as you might get attacked instead without reinforcement). Another option is to sit next to an enemy army that is besieging an allied town (be adjacent to the town too). That way you become reinforcements to the ally on both a siege assault and a sally. I'm not sure if you get a reputation improvement if you start the battle to relieve a siege of an allied town, but for the purposes of that edict (which I wrote) I would say that would also qualify, even if it didn't result in a reputation improvement.

Ideally, I'd like to see this become a common thing for the Reich. Sending armies out to help our allies in their wars is a good way to have interesting battles, get generals traits, and induce roleplaying without further expanding the Empire.