KotR Out of character thread VI

**StoneCold** · 06-03-2007, 16:41

hmm... maybe... Still dubious about that. Maybe TC can gives us his excellent ruling on that bit of law. But you can following it and see where it goes. With the western border undefended as such, the SHA on the attack, and the BHA in the east helping Austria, EIA heading north to the Danish threat and FHA in the northeast against the Russian... if any towns falls in the west, you can blame it all on the the swabians... :P Remember we are still pumping 10K a turn into their economy, I hope you are still doing that, so a full stack or two could appear out of nowhere any turn.

**FactionHeir** · 06-03-2007, 16:56

Fun thing is that France has 4 Citadels and only 1 city left. With the huge cash injection they get each turn, it should get interesting.

**TevashSzat** · 06-03-2007, 16:58

The French forces are basically all but destroyed in the area close to Paris due to the recent battles. Northwestern france is in shambles and last time I checked they barely got any garrisons. Only area where forces are present are southwestern France, but it would take them a while to assemble a large army again.

**StoneCold** · 06-03-2007, 17:08

Not really. From what I read, the AI do not have a limited recruitment pool like us human players, so as long as they have the cash, they could get new troops. So there is not as much time as you think there is. Also, as you say, the north is in shambles, the french troops are in the southwest where the HRE do not have any armies, both swabians and bavarians are deployed elsewhere, only garrisons.

In the northeast, there are your SHA and the EIA, which will be there soon.

As a Duke, I think you should be more interested in protecting what lands you have, especially traditional swabian lands, than going on a conquering roll.

**TinCow** · 06-03-2007, 17:23

The way the rule works, the Chancellor must obey (legal) Household Army orders that are submitted to him at the beginning of his term. Offensive operations can only target a single settlement. As the SHA instruction indicated Paris first, then Paris seems to be the single settlement target that the Chancellor had to let them take. The SHA orders about other settlements were invalid because they specified multiple settlements at the same time (plus they indicated territories which were not adjacent to Swabian lands at that time, which is also invalid). Therefore the initial SHA orders were fulfilled when Paris was taken.

The Duke of Swabia can give new orders for the SHA at any time and it is perfectly legal for him to specify further targets, so long as does it one at a time. However, any orders submitted after the start of the Chancellor's term are fulfilled at the Chancellor's discretion. So, whether the SHA continues to advance or not is totally up to FactionHeir. If he let's the Swabians do what they want, that is legal. If he makes them hold back, that is also legal.

**FactionHeir** · 06-03-2007, 18:42

OK thanks for clearing that up TC. How much do we owe our lawyer? :D

**StoneCold** · 06-03-2007, 18:52

I think just send his avatar soonest to the nearest battle and be knighted should be enough payment... hahaha

**FactionHeir** · 06-03-2007, 19:05

econ: Good catch on the max 2 GB per stack. Totally forgot about that clause and was about to join the young boys with Jonas. Guess he'll have to pick up one at a time then or have them come in as AI or self controlled reinforcements.

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Reason I mention GB vs knight is that GBs counts as Knights, Cavalry AND GB in terms of army composition. Since we got a limit of 2 per stack, I thought making them not count as knight would be fair.
In RTW and MTW, GBs would destroy entire armies, but not really anymore in M2TW with shield fix etc. GBs are still strong against low grade units like town militia and peasant troops, but you normally won't see a single GB take down more than 3 high quality infantry unless you got unit support to get into their rear. GB also can at best kill 2 medium quality cavalry. Of course that's all speaking with 0 valor.

**econ21** · 06-03-2007, 19:09

TinCow is right about the legalities regarding the Swabian Household Army - it is down to Factionheir but please, let's not rush France. Remember the Citadel thread from the HRE player who won the game by turn 14 or something? We don't want to go there. Without France, what's Swabia going to do? I think we should let the Swabians defend their new conquests for a while. At least let's put the conquest of France to a Diet vote - it did not even get a seconder at the last Diet.