How useful do you find spears after 1.02?

**FactionHeir** · 06-12-2007, 20:26

Schiltrom generally still seems rather useless to me.
Units in schiltrom die much faster and kill considerably less units of the same type even if the schiltrom unit is upgraded and has more experience.

**Doug-Thompson** · 06-12-2007, 20:50

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Schiltrom generally still seems rather useless to me.
Units in schiltrom die much faster and kill considerably less units of the same type even if the schiltrom unit is upgraded and has more experience.

Ah, but it's not the schiltron that does the killing. Its the javelins and arrow and crossbow bolts do. You don't even suffer from friendly fire. All your shields are turned outwards and some enemy gets hit and stops the missiles.

**FactionHeir** · 06-12-2007, 21:00

Still, while the unit is not engaged, it suffers more from hostile/friendly fire than if it were not in schiltrom. Reason being clustered so tightly together that something will hit.
Field day for artillery the AI likes to field.

**pike master** · 06-13-2007, 04:11

i havent run test but it seems from what ive seen so far that when in schiltrom they actually resist missiles better. especially versus flatter shooting missiles.

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 06-13-2007, 04:51

They're now pretty close to how they were in MTW, I think, which is good. Get some good and heavy (armored sergeants) spearmen and make a line. Put missiles behind and swords and cav at the flanks. Just like the good old days.